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Post by stevie on Oct 29, 2019 19:55:07 GMT
Fair enough. Looks like I’ll have to use “House Rules” if I want weak wimpy Ax/Ps/LH armies to win a battle, because they certainly can’t under the current rules, especially if they have high aggression. Having “ Defender’s win at nightfall if they are still on the table and still have a camp” works quite well, as does having “ LH only pays ½ a PIP to move”. “ Reducing Ax/Ps army aggression” and using “ Randomly Generated Terrain” at least gives them a chance to find somewhere to hide in, but does result in a lot of stalemates when they refuse to leave their bad going while the enemy refuses to go in after them...but at least they won’t lose. Either that or sell many of my current forces and only have Bd/Sp/Pk/Kn armies. After all, these are the only ones that are used or have a chance in tournaments.  Some Helpful Downloads can be found here: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And here is the latest Jan 2019 FAQ: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ_2019_1st_Quarter
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Post by snowcat on Oct 29, 2019 22:56:02 GMT
Or just play 'TRIUMPH!' or 'L'Art de la Guerre'.
(Sorry but when I read your interpretation, I simply read the RAW and found what I believed to be the logical intent. If Phil had meant otherwise - i.e. OK to combine those troop types together for the benefits - it would surely have been written accordingly, which to be fair it wasn't.)
Meanwhile, I too am wondering what to do with 3 x 3Ax and 1 Ps in a high aggression army (the remainder of which is Cv and LH...oh and another 3Ax or a stone thrower Art if I want it).
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Post by martin on Oct 29, 2019 23:20:42 GMT
Or just play 'TRIUMPH!' or 'L'Art de la Guerre'. (Sorry but when I read your interpretation, I simply read the RAW and found what I believed to be the logical intent. If Phil had meant otherwise - i.e. OK to combine those troop types together for the benefits - it would surely have been written accordingly, which to be fair it wasn't.) Meanwhile, I too am wondering what to do with 3 x 3Ax and 1 Ps in a high aggression army (the remainder of which is Cv and LH...oh and another 3Ax or a stone thrower Art if I want it). What to do?? Take them to Tarrington, and make your opponents use them 😊 |
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Post by snowcat on Oct 29, 2019 23:35:06 GMT
Or just play 'TRIUMPH!' or 'L'Art de la Guerre'. (Sorry but when I read your interpretation, I simply read the RAW and found what I believed to be the logical intent. If Phil had meant otherwise - i.e. OK to combine those troop types together for the benefits - it would surely have been written accordingly, which to be fair it wasn't.) Meanwhile, I too am wondering what to do with 3 x 3Ax and 1 Ps in a high aggression army (the remainder of which is Cv and LH...oh and another 3Ax or a stone thrower Art if I want it). What to do?? Take them to Tarrington, and make your opponents use them 😊 I'm in Oz mate.  |
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Post by macbeth on Oct 30, 2019 1:44:21 GMT
What to do?? Take them to Tarrington, and make your opponents use them 😊 I'm in Oz mate. So come to Landwaster in Canberra (November 24) where there is a prize for the highest adjusted score where the armies are given a rating based on the overall power of their elements.
You can find the rating scores in the thread "Magister Militum per Capitoline Territorialis" in the "Tournaments" section here on Fanaticus.
After Landwaster why not come back again to Cancon in January - then you can even qualify for the "Grand Maurice" based on you Magister Militum Ratings from your best 3 showings in the ACT. Cancon is a 2 day event with two different armies so counts as 2 events for the purposes of the "Grand Maurice"
Cheers
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Post by macbeth on Oct 30, 2019 1:48:12 GMT
Tarrington is on my Bucket list - I love the idea of a Scramble event.
Way back last decade we did one in Canberra
Quid Pro Quon - used my original element rating system (I updated it for DBA3) so that for rounds 1-4 the highest ranked player used the lowest rated army that they hadn't already used and so on (so the lowest rated player got the Mega powered armies). Then in round 5 players had to dig themselves out of whatever hole they were in with the army they brought along (Mr Thracian crashed and burned at that point).
I even kept score of how each army performed and gave the owner of the highest scoring army a prize for designing the most idiot proof list.
Cheers
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Post by Simon on Oct 30, 2019 8:32:42 GMT
Or just play 'TRIUMPH!' or 'L'Art de la Guerre'. (Sorry but when I read your interpretation, I simply read the RAW and found what I believed to be the logical intent. If Phil had meant otherwise - i.e. OK to combine those troop types together for the benefits - it would surely have been written accordingly, which to be fair it wasn't.) Meanwhile, I too am wondering what to do with 3 x 3Ax and 1 Ps in a high aggression army (the remainder of which is Cv and LH...oh and another 3Ax or a stone thrower Art if I want it). What to do?? Take them to Tarrington, and make your opponents use them 😊 And/or bring a historical matched pair to Bakewell or Alton or play set pairs and pre-arranged terrain with armies provided at the Northern Cup. I am also considering having the theme at the February Bakewell Winter Warmer as a weaker army only one. Not all tournaments are the traditional open, although these are still very much enjoyed. Simon |
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Post by martin on Oct 30, 2019 9:55:56 GMT
What to do?? Take them to Tarrington, and make your opponents use them 😊 I'm in Oz mate. Tickets via BKK or SIN still available..😊 🛫 ✈️ 🛬 🍻 🛫 ✈️ 🛬 🎲🎲🎲🎲 |
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Post by snowcat on Oct 30, 2019 11:25:53 GMT
Yeah right!  |
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Post by paulisper on Oct 30, 2019 19:51:39 GMT
What to do?? Take them to Tarrington, and make your opponents use them 😊 And/or bring a historical matched pair to Bakewell or Alton or play set pairs and pre-arranged terrain with armies provided at the Northern Cup. I am also considering having the theme at the February Bakewell Winter Warmer as a weaker army only one. Not all tournaments are the traditional open, although these are still very much enjoyed. Simon Yes, indeed, let’s have a Wimp Wars theme like Tony Aguilar and the US boys have had this year at Historicon 👍 P |
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Post by goragrad on Oct 30, 2019 20:19:34 GMT
As noted in the other posts here, stevie, a number of options for those LH, PS, and AX heavy armies.
Historical campaigns as well. Not everything is an open tourney - or if that is what is occurring locally, then encourage (or even sponsor) a themed event that will allow the 'wimps' to compete.
As to the OP, while the rules do exclude it, historically light infantry was 'married' to cavalry units on a number of occasions. So once again the RAW conflict.
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Post by jeff on Oct 30, 2019 20:59:35 GMT
An Alan army with 6 LH (including General) and a Ps just won our wide open NADBAG tourney this fall. In the final match, nobody engaged in the army besides the 6 LH. It can be done, with low enough aggression.
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Oct 30, 2019 21:59:09 GMT
And/or bring a historical matched pair to Bakewell or Alton or play set pairs and pre-arranged terrain with armies provided at the Northern Cup. I am also considering having the theme at the February Bakewell Winter Warmer as a weaker army only one. Not all tournaments are the traditional open, although these are still very much enjoyed. Simon Yes, indeed, let’s have a Wimp Wars theme like Tony Aguilar and the US boys have had this year at Historicon 👍 P One of my favorite events. |
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Post by gregorius on Oct 30, 2019 23:20:51 GMT
And/or bring a historical matched pair to Bakewell or Alton or play set pairs and pre-arranged terrain with armies provided at the Northern Cup. I am also considering having the theme at the February Bakewell Winter Warmer as a weaker army only one. Not all tournaments are the traditional open, although these are still very much enjoyed. Simon Yes, indeed, let’s have a Wimp Wars theme like Tony Aguilar and the US boys have had this year at Historicon 👍 P And as we did at MOAB this year, with the mighty Nubians triumphant. Cheers, |
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Post by macbeth on Nov 1, 2019 3:37:14 GMT
Tarrington is on my Bucket list - I love the idea of a Scramble event. Way back last decade we did one in Canberra Quid Pro Quon - used my original element rating system (I updated it for DBA3) so that for rounds 1-4 the highest ranked player used the lowest rated army that they hadn't already used and so on (so the lowest rated player got the Mega powered armies). Then in round 5 players had to dig themselves out of whatever hole they were in with the army they brought along (Mr Thracian crashed and burned at that point). I even kept score of how each army performed and gave the owner of the highest scoring army a prize for designing the most idiot proof list. Cheers More generally here in Oz we also have a score handicapping process using my Element Rating table.
Each army is rated according to this table and the handicap score is derived as
Raw Score * (Opponent's Rating/Player's Rating)
There is a prize for the highest adjusted score (outside of the top 3 raw scores that get the podium silverware) and a further prize at the end of the year for the average of the best three scaled handicap scores (and for this prize being a podium winner still counts)
Over the years this has encouraged a number of the better players to experiment with armies that are below par on the killer army scale. We have had a wide variety of interesting armies
The full explanation and the rating scores are available in the "Magister Militum Per Capitoline Territorialis"
cheers
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