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Post by martin on Sept 6, 2016 21:03:27 GMT
This posted by the organiser on the Hott Yahoo group :-
"The Staines Massive will be held on Sunday 13th November. It will incorporate our 'leg' of the Good,Bad and Ugly international tournament.
International fame for anyone doing well. Prizes will include best theme army and also best stronghold.
Other awards etc may be given depending on when the money runs out...
This year we shall be using armies that are historical but with a mix of fantasy.
At least half the AP must be historical types (think DBA troop types).
At least 2 of the other elements must be fantasy types.
Naturally historical types must be human since I don't think elven blades are historical.
I'm sure players will produce something that wasn't envisaged when the theme was codified :-)
As always please email me to confirm attendance as much in advance as possible so we can plan the day.
Tim Moore"
Makes it a fun weekend, as the Tarrington Tourney in Herefordshire is on the day before :-)
Martin
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Post by bob on Sept 6, 2016 21:34:11 GMT
Not only must the element be human, it must as well be a H OTT type.
"Saxon Bowmen = Fantasy - because Shooters is a HotT only element type, there is no Bow element type in HotT. ."
Perhaps a Saxon shooter would be historical.
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Post by martin on Sept 11, 2016 13:27:25 GMT
Seems the local tournament organisers have some leeway to vary definitions, so we may see 'human' shooters and riders allowable at Staines as 'historical' elements.
Will get confirmation from Tim sometime soon.
Cheers
Martin
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Post by martin on Sept 11, 2016 14:03:58 GMT
Tim, the Staines leg organiser, has now posted this clarification applicable to the Staines leg of the GBnU (as viewed on Yahoo).
"As is customary for our tournament we shall be allowing players to use either 40mm or 60mm frontages for their armies. We shall have boards available for both scales.
Theme
Another local variation or clarification perhaps is that historical troop types will use the nearest equivalent HoTT definitions.
So 'plebian cavalry' - LH or Cav in DBA (did you like that turn of phrase) are Riders, noble cavalry are 'Knights'.
And bows and crossbows are Shooters.
However Riders of Rohan elements are fantasy types since they are not real.
In the end the leg coordinator will make a ruling on the fantasy/reality question.
I'll say now that no one will be disqualified for an army that is less than legal. The only practical disadvantage is that a non-theme army will be excluded from the Barker Award voting.
Local prizes will not be affected.
Last year the Barker Award, an international trophy, was won by Colin at our leg.
Enjoy.
Tim. "
Looks like we can use identifiable human Cv/LH as riders, KN as Kn, and bow-types as shooters. Makes a lotta sense. Thanks to Tim for that
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Post by bob on Sept 11, 2016 15:43:29 GMT
Will armies with these "local variations" be eligible for the theme trophy? My club also thinks that human historical troops with projectile weapons classed as Bows in DBA, as Musketeers in DBN and Shooters in HOTT, should be legal as historical.
Is it the type of element or the type of creature that makes something fantasy. Riders of Rohan are just human riders, what matter the name. Did they have super human abilities?
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Post by martin on Sept 13, 2016 7:01:02 GMT
Will armies with these "local variations" be eligible for the theme trophy? My club also thinks that human historical troops with projectile weapons classed as Bows in DBA, as Musketeers in DBN and Shooters in HOTT, should be legal as historical. Is it the type of element or the type of creature that makes something fantasy. Riders of Rohan are just human riders, what matter the name. Did they have super human abilities? All valid questions, Bob, for which I unfortunately have no difinitive answers.... As for the Rohirrim, maybe Tim's definition of 'fantasy' for that particular example is because of their context - they are fictional characters found only in a fantasy novel, rather than historical people (which separates them from eg Mongol horsemen or ECW Cavaliers). Martin |
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Post by peteduckworth on Oct 30, 2016 20:22:23 GMT
It was my understanding that the trrop types from DBA are what make it "historical" ie minimum 12 AP from: Knights, Riders (though I'm unclear why that's OK but shooters are not - maybe factors?), Blades, Spears, Warband and Horde
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Post by terry37 on Oct 31, 2016 3:44:56 GMT
Pete, according to the original announcement if the troop type is a HotT troop type only, then it cannot be historical - and if we apply that, then Riders are not historical. However, there was so much issue over bows/shooters that each Leg is making the decision of what is historical and what is fantasy.
I am hoping that next years theme will be a less confusing one.
Terry
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Post by martin on Nov 16, 2016 15:50:13 GMT
Another very exciting Hott event, run well by Tim and the gang at Staines. The morning's GBnU winner, after three rounds, was Chris Pryme, with his Maori, featuring an excellent Pa stronghold. After lunch a further two games were played, extending the morning's scores to constitute the Staines Massive part of the day. After the total of five games had been played the overall winner was Jane Williams, using a Boudicca Ancient Brit army (1 x hero gen/Boudicca, 2 x riders/Brit light horse, 1 x Magician/druids and 6 x Wb/ British foot warriors). Thanks to all for an excellent day. As mentioned in the Tarrington thread, I'm currently only able to post a few pics of my 'This is Sparta- Come and take it!' army. I fielded a Spear general (Cleomenes/Brasidas or whoever), 5 x Spears/Hoplites, 1 x Spirit of Leonidas/Paladin, 1 x Ares/god, 1 x Helots throwing rocks/shooter, 1 x Helots en masse/Hd and 1 x Helots lying in ambush/lurker. My other pics need resizing, once I get herself on the case. Will post as and when....though they're already in a photo album on Yahoo, if you can access it. Cheers Martin   |
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Post by martin on Nov 16, 2016 19:29:12 GMT
 1821 Greek Wars of Independence  Blucher..... and Baba Yaga's hut  |
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Post by martin on Nov 16, 2016 19:36:59 GMT
 Boudicca's Brits  Maori Pa stronghold and Greek stronghold with Ares  |
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Post by martin on Nov 16, 2016 19:42:22 GMT
 Waterloo Prussians  terracotta Chinese  SRB Arthurian knights in the Greek line |
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Post by gregorius on Nov 16, 2016 23:41:00 GMT
The Maori Pa is an excellent piece of modeling. Kudos to Chris Pryme.
Cheers,
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Post by martin on Nov 17, 2016 9:36:08 GMT
The Maori Pa is an excellent piece of modeling. Kudos to Chris Pryme. Cheers, Excellent stronghold, indeed. Chris is a Kiwi, and his choice of Maori seemed very appropriate  The Maori were a tough opponent, consisting of Hero general, magician and 8 x Warband. These latter steamrollered my poor Spartan spearmen, who, despite being one higher factor rear-supported than the Maori Wb in the open, threw slightly lower in combat, causing quick-kills on the double-ranked hoplites, and a very short n sweet game!! My paladin ('Spirit of Leonidas') stepped in to assist, but I hadn't remembered the Hott difference that Wb are +3 vs ANYTHING, plus get rear support. Leonidas got overlapped in the chaos and died in a pile of snapped spears/blaze of glory  . Ares, God of War, failed to show up, as he is inclined to do....... Chris went on to win the three initial games, which made him the GBnU leg winner.
Martin PS- the pics are small, but if you click on them they go full-screen. |
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Post by martin on Nov 18, 2016 17:28:13 GMT
Good to see the other GBnU tournaments reports. When do the winners of best army get announced/voted on? |
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. Ares, God of War, failed to show up, as he is inclined to do.......