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Post by paddy649 on Feb 28, 2019 19:17:56 GMT
This may be a dumb question - but figure wise what is the difference between 3Ax and 3Wb. By that I mean I would expect an element of 3Bd to carry swords, 3Bw to carry bows but just by looking at a stand how would you expect to differentiate 3Ax from 3Wb.......surely they both carry Jav and shields. So are they interchangeable - if so if both appear in the same Army could it just a case of different paint jobs? (i.e. the red ones are 3Wb and the blue ones are 3Ax?
Thoughts please.....
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Post by nangwaya on Feb 28, 2019 19:23:36 GMT
For me, I tend to stagger the figures for 3Wb and put the 3Ax in line.
Maybe people will argue it should be the other way around, but I have this unorganized frenzied feel about Wb that I just don't get with Ax, so go with the above.
I also try to not get all my figures in identical poses for Wb, but keep the poses the same for my Ax.
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Post by greedo on Feb 28, 2019 20:47:07 GMT
Wb are all about the rash charge capable of QK.
Even if the figure source was the same, what about putting all your "running with sharp instruments" figs in the 3Wb, and all the stationary + clothed with Javelins figs in the 3Ax?
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Post by lkmjbc on Feb 28, 2019 21:17:44 GMT
This may be a dumb question - but figure wise what is the difference between 3Ax and 3Wb. By that I mean I would expect an element of 3Bd to carry swords, 3Bw to carry bows but just by looking at a stand how would you expect to differentiate 3Ax from 3Wb.......surely they both carry Jav and shields. So are they interchangeable - if so if both appear in the same Army could it just a case of different paint jobs? (i.e. the red ones are 3Wb and the blue ones are 3Ax? Thoughts please..... The hairier ones are the Warband! Joe Collins |
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Post by lkmjbc on Feb 28, 2019 21:46:06 GMT
On a more serious note... this is an issue with my current Clontarf project.
My interpretation features:
4Ax Irish
4Bd Vikings and Hiberno-Norse
3Wb Irish
3Ax Irish
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3Bd Vikings (the allies)
How to tell them apart?
For the warband I have decided to add Irish Wolfhounds to the base. These were captive sons Nobles and others... I figure the dogs to be a good marker.
For Viking 3Bd I plan to place a round Viking shield on the base as part of the flotsam and jetsam of war...
I think the general costume should be enough to tell the 4Ax from the 4Bd.
Joe Collins
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Post by greedo on Feb 28, 2019 21:54:19 GMT
I think the general costume should be enough to tell the 4Ax from the 4Bd. Joe Collins Wouldn't the base depth also help with this one? 4Bd are 15mm, 4Ax are 20mm? I suppose it's variable, but that's the "usual" isn't it? |
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Post by lkmjbc on Feb 28, 2019 22:13:37 GMT
I think the general costume should be enough to tell the 4Ax from the 4Bd. Joe Collins Wouldn't the base depth also help with this one? 4Bd are 15mm, 4Ax are 20mm? I suppose it's variable, but that's the "usual" isn't it? I'm considering 30mm depth...(project is 25mm). Joe Collins |
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Post by martin on Feb 28, 2019 22:26:42 GMT
I think the general costume should be enough to tell the 4Ax from the 4Bd. Joe Collins Wouldn't the base depth also help with this one? 4Bd are 15mm, 4Ax are 20mm? I suppose it's variable, but that's the "usual" isn't it? Not in this neck of the woods....both on 20mm depth is becoming the ‘norm’. Far easier for game play, if not for differentiating types. |
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Post by greedo on Feb 28, 2019 23:53:25 GMT
Wouldn't the base depth also help with this one? 4Bd are 15mm, 4Ax are 20mm? I suppose it's variable, but that's the "usual" isn't it? Not in this neck of the woods....both on 20mm depth is becoming the ‘norm’. Far easier for game play, if not for differentiating types. Really? Certainly easier to pack the little guys in legion formation onto a 20mm depth.. |
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Post by martin on Mar 1, 2019 9:53:10 GMT
For pure game play purposes, 20mm pursuit and 20mm recoil is far easier to administer. It means all of your foot will recoil the same distance, and pursue the same distance (bar any horde). Keeps groups in contact, makes it far easier to see if correct movement has been made, rather than the 15mm recoil leaving 5mm edge overlap etc etc.
Originally I was inclined to go with the 15mm depth as mentioned, but have been very much convinced that the 20mm ‘works’ best for my games.
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Post by Vic on Mar 1, 2019 11:42:34 GMT
This may be a dumb question - but figure wise what is the difference between 3Ax and 3Wb. By that I mean I would expect an element of 3Bd to carry swords, 3Bw to carry bows but just by looking at a stand how would you expect to differentiate 3Ax from 3Wb.......surely they both carry Jav and shields. So are they interchangeable - if so if both appear in the same Army could it just a case of different paint jobs? (i.e. the red ones are 3Wb and the blue ones are 3Ax? Thoughts please..... I would say there needs to be none. It's a functional difference, not a difference in equipment, keeping with DBA's philosophy. I tend to prefer miniatures with short weapons (axes, swords, etc.) for Wb, and javelins and/or light spears for Ax, but it's by no means a clear distinction, and I find it perfectly reasonable to have javelins in Wb and short weapons for Ax - the Melanesian army I'm painting now is intended both for Fijian 3Wb and for Melanesian/Papuan 3Ax, and I'm simply using a mixture of spears and maces for them. But I agree that showing Wb as more chaotically arranged (or using miniatures with more aggressive poses) can help visual identification, if that's a concern. |
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