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Post by Commiades on Oct 10, 2018 1:47:51 GMT
Continuing my exploration of odd elements; I've seen the option for a Lit general for the Papal Italians (III/77). Swampster has scratch-built one: swampster-danteswars. I'm not sure I want to try that; has anyone seen any suitable 15mm ecclesial princes? There are plenty of monks. |
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Post by paddy649 on Oct 10, 2018 7:06:24 GMT
Thanks for sharing. What a good Papal Army at the link - very nice. l’ve been musing about that Army and how to do that Pope conversion too. Very brave to scratch build from a Hungarian archer. I’ve wondered whether the Xyston figure ANC20308 - Antigonas on Palanquin would be a good start point for a conversion or perhaps the Demonworld 4037 Nallian, Orc General on Palanquin. Obviously a lot of conversion work required either way!
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Post by Commiades on Oct 10, 2018 20:27:37 GMT
Thanks for sharing. What a good Papal Army at the link - very nice. l’ve been musing about that Army and how to do that Pope conversion too. Very brave to scratch build from a Hungarian archer. I’ve wondered whether the Xyston figure ANC20308 - Antigonas on Palanquin would be a good start point for a conversion or perhaps the Demonworld 4037 Nallian, Orc General on Palanquin. Obviously a lot of conversion work required either way! Thanks, those are two to look at; it'd be my first attempt at such a conversion if I tried it. |
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Post by macbeth on Oct 10, 2018 21:56:08 GMT
One of my group here in Canberra (Battledamage is his name in Fanaticiland) has made that conversion and did very well with his Pope-on-a-Rope at Cancon this year
There might be some pictures thereof.
I am hoping to convince him to work his magic on a similar element for me so that I can field my own Papal Italian in a Normans in Italy campaign set.
cheers
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Post by Simon on Oct 11, 2018 7:54:19 GMT
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Post by Commiades on Oct 11, 2018 10:04:31 GMT
One of my group here in Canberra (Battledamage is his name in Fanaticiland) has made that conversion and did very well with his Pope-on-a-Rope at Cancon this year There might be some pictures thereof. I am hoping to convince him to work his magic on a similar element for me so that I can field my own Papal Italian in a Normans in Italy campaign set. cheers I think the Litter provides very good support for the two 4Cb (the 8Cb of later Communal Italians are even better with their CWg); and shooters are in no hurry to get into close combat. |
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Post by Commiades on Oct 11, 2018 22:22:16 GMT
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Post by paddy649 on Oct 12, 2018 6:59:06 GMT
That pope on a wagon looks good. I can see how that was done. I think the way I’d start to tackle the pope is to use the RPE “Altar of Purifying Flame” as the base. www.ralparthaeurope.co.uk/shop/demonworldThis at least has mediaeval looking palanquin bearers that could be painted up as suitable papal body guards. It also has a suitably carpeted base. The banner probably still works but the priest and fire pit would hit the dead lead pile. I do like the idea of a converted Hungarian Horse archer as the man himself but the cthrone and canopy would have to be a scratch build - unless someone can point to a suitable model. |
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Post by Commiades on Oct 13, 2018 21:38:32 GMT
I’ve wondered whether the Xyston figure ANC20308 - Antigonas on Palanquin would be a good start point for a conversion or perhaps the Demonworld 4037 Nallian, Orc General on Palanquin. Obviously a lot of conversion work required either way! Looking at those two, the Antigonas is a more attractive option. His bearers could pass muster and the lions on the chair don't fit. But with a robe added, he'd pass for a corpulent pope, probably better in a later period, Alexander Borgia comes to mind. Somebody's done this: link. I think the armour on the bearers is a little late for me, but otherwise it does look good. I agree that the fire pit doesn't belong there. Splintered Light do a more circumspect bishop as part of their Robin Hood series: link
Perhaps Xyston bearers with the Demonworld palanquin and the Splintered Light bishop! |
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Post by timurilank on Oct 13, 2018 22:09:35 GMT
Somebody's done this: link. I think the armour on the bearers is a little late for me, but otherwise it does look good. I agree that the fire pit doesn't belong there. Splintered Light do a more circumspect bishop as part of their Robin Hood series: link
Perhaps Xyston bearers with the Demonworld palanquin and the Splintered Light bishop! I have the Demonworld set, but did not paint any armour on the litter bearers. Unfortunately, what they were to carry was never finished and remained on the drawing board.
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Post by paulhannah on Dec 8, 2018 15:41:13 GMT
This thread helped me finally get started on my own attempt at a "Popemobile". Here's an in-game view of my 15mm, III/77 Papal Italian Lit. Gen. element, flanked on both sides by Solid Crossbows.  The army is all Legio Heroica, but, like all the other "Popemobiles" described here, my vignette was also created from bits from all over. For my model... - The Pope, his throne and the four Litter Bearers are all from Xyston's "Antigonas on a Palanquin". With Greenstuff, I added ecclesiastical garb and a miter (big hat) to help him pass as the Bishop of Rome.
- The Litter itself (i.e. just the platform) is from Eureka's Mound-Builder American range
- The bodyguard and musician are more Legio Heroica figures.
- The non-combatant Franciscans and the Crozier in the Pope's right hand are from Essex Praying Monks.
- The ombrellino (umbrella) is a Mikes Models Indian parasol.
If interested, here's a view of it, in-progress, with the Greenstuff having just been applied
I later removed that backing to the throne. I had thought I might make his seat into a cathedra (bishop's chair) with canopy, but then one would not have been able to see the big shot.
Very fun project. I hope there's an idea or two in here that help others build their own "Pope on a Mobile Throne".
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Post by paddy649 on Dec 8, 2018 20:13:43 GMT
Paul - I like what you have done there. Looks good. Communal Italians are currently on my painting table so they’ll need a Pope to fight at some point.
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Post by jim1973 on Dec 12, 2018 8:17:25 GMT
Paul - I also like your basing style for the elements pictured. Any tips on getting that sort of texturing and effect?
Jim
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Post by paulhannah on Dec 15, 2018 18:39:50 GMT
Does anyone here know which historical pope it was who thought that being carried aloft into battle was a good idea? Or, putting it another way, in which historical battle did this occur? --Presumably, the addition of this Lit (Gen) element in V-3 had at least some historical basis.
Mostly, I'm just curious. It would also be cool to know the name of the pontiff on my Litter. And, a scenario-game for whatever battle it was would be even more fun. Thanks!
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Post by Haardrada on Dec 15, 2018 19:46:12 GMT
Does anyone here know which historical pope it was who thought that being carried aloft into battle was a good idea? Or, putting it another way, in which historical battle did this occur? --Presumably, the addition of this Lit (Gen) element in V-3 had at least some historical basis. Mostly, I'm just curious. It would also be cool to know the name of the pontiff on my Litter. And, a scenario-game for whatever battle it was would be even more fun. Thanks! Pope Leo IX was with the Papal army in 1053 but according to accounts he was in Civitate and handed over after the battle.However,Julius II led an army on at least 2 occassions in 1507 and 1512 respectfully. |
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