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Post by pawsbill on Sept 28, 2018 16:22:52 GMT
Last night I based up some 15mm 4Kn figures, but each is just too wide to fit 4 across on a 40mm base without overhanging the sides or staggering the figures. The problem is that the horses are on moulded bases 30mm long, so you can't stagger them.
So my options are
a) use them as they are, but they won't fit next to each other without a (substantial) gap, b) rebase 3 to a base (they will be distinct from the true 3Kn in the army as teh horses are armoured), which would be allowed in DBMM but not DBA by the book, or c) rebase on square 40mm bases to allow me to stagger or echelon the figures.
What would you do, or what would you feel more comfortable with your opponent having done? |
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Post by menacussecundus on Sept 28, 2018 16:49:05 GMT
I would go for (b). The extra 10mm depth oughtn't to matter, but there will be times when it does, and having a gap is, in my view, even worse. (Which is why I replaced the Essex HCh in my Neo-Assyrian army with ones from Mag Mil.)
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Post by Baldie on Sept 28, 2018 16:51:56 GMT
Are you able to clip a bit off the front and back of the bases to make em fit better?
In my gaming clubs basing em three to a base or on a 40x40 wouldn't be a problem I can see how it may get confusing playing peps you don't often play, especially if you don't get much discussion time before the game.
My chum has based his Egyptian chariots on 40x60 bases rather than cram them on a 40x40 and sticks a bare base down if it ever becomes an issue.
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Post by twrnz on Sept 29, 2018 0:39:08 GMT
I put my 4Kn on a 40mm square base, I like the aesthetics of four figures on the base.
I mounted the my Macedonian xystophoroi (3Kn) on a 40mm deep base as well, to make them DBMM compliant, though I never play DBMM. It allowed me to model them in a small wedge which looks good. However, the xystoxystophoroi keep recoiling especially when attacked in the flank. It seems to have been perhaps an unwise move, but they look the part...
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Post by scottrussell on Sept 29, 2018 8:19:16 GMT
I put my 4Kn on a 40mm square base, I like the aesthetics of four figures on the base. I mounted the my Macedonian xystophoroi (3Kn) on a 40mm deep base as well, to make them DBMM compliant, though I never play DBMM. It allowed me to model them in a small wedge which looks good. However, the xystoxystophoroi keep recoiling especially when attacked in the flank. It seems to have been perhaps an unwise move, but they look the part... The rules specifically suggest/allow for Macedonian Companions (and some scythian nobles) to be mounted in a wedge on a 40mm deep base. scott |
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Post by Haardrada on Sept 29, 2018 9:04:51 GMT
I opt with baldie's suggestion of cliping the bases if possible?...if not on the ends then between the legs if ok to do so and gently repositioning the legs as not to snap them or make them look un-natural..which should shorten the base.I did this for some Museum miniature camelry and it worked well,I was able to rejoin the bases and glue them together to add strength.
Another option is to off-set the horses on the base so that the riders aren't toe to toe...it looks slightly irregular but these battle lines were not schooled in Vienna.lol
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Post by scottrussell on Sept 29, 2018 9:11:32 GMT
You might try staggering them, but using a base slightly less than 40mm deep. That way, if forced to turn through 90deg by flank contact, when already in side to side contact with another element, you will not be disadvantaged by not having a recoil.
Scott
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Post by pawsbill on Sept 29, 2018 10:12:28 GMT
I opt with baldie's suggestion of cliping the bases if possible?...if not on the ends then between the legs if ok to do so and gently repositioning the legs as not to snap them or make them look un-natural..which should shorten the base.I did this for some Museum miniature camelry and it worked well,I was able to rejoin the bases and glue them together to add strength. Another option is to off-set the horses on the base so that the riders aren't toe to toe...it looks slightly irregular but these battle lines were not schooled in Vienna.lol Unfortunately, shortening the moulded bases isn't possible (Khurasan's armoured Tang cavalry horse) as they are in an extended trotting pose. I doubt I would be able to do teh cut-and-shut either as the legs are already fairly weak.
And I can't offset the horses on teh base as they are as long as teh base is deep, so they would have to overhang. That is why I'm considering using a longer base to allow me to stagger them.
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Post by pawsbill on Sept 29, 2018 10:14:33 GMT
You might try staggering them, but using a base slightly less than 40mm deep. That way, if forced to turn through 90deg by flank contact, when already in side to side contact with another element, you will not be disadvantaged by not having a recoil. Scott Good point, I hadn't considered that problem with the full 40mm deep base. There are some slight advantages to teh full 40mm deep base but this probably outweighs those. |
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Post by goragrad on Sept 29, 2018 10:30:49 GMT
Not surprising that they are Khurasan T'ang - the only figures I have from them are 4 T'ang spearmen who will dwarf their fellows when i finally get them painted and based...
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Post by twrnz on Sept 30, 2018 4:52:31 GMT
That’s correct, and why I based them like this originally. Visually I think it looks good and by extension the visuals was why I used the 40mm deep bases for 4Kn when the figures wouldn’t fit.
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Post by bob on Sept 30, 2018 19:08:52 GMT
I’d like the mass densely packed look of the 4 Kn. Instead of staggering them or putting them on deeper bases, I cheat a little bit between the figures :-) I use a good metal file, not a small needle file, and file down the side of Some figures. I got this idea from tabletop miniatures, I think it was, who had 4 man war wagon crews Cast as a single item. They fit into the wagon. From a distance they just look tight. So by filing the inside heavy knights. I gained enough millimeters of width so that they all fit, looking as though they are charging stirrup to stirrup. This is a wargame artifact. If you hold him up close to your eye you can see some of the figures filed away, but on the table they look fine.
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Post by pawsbill on Sept 30, 2018 20:36:01 GMT
I’d like the mass densely packed look of the 4 Kn. Instead of staggering them or putting them on deeper bases, I cheat a little bit between the figures :-) I use a good metal file, not a small needle file, and file down the side of Some figures. I got this idea from tabletop miniatures, I think it was, who had 4 man war wagon crews Cast as a single item. They fit into the wagon. From a distance they just look tight. So by filing the inside heavy knights. I gained enough millimeters of width so that they all fit, looking as though they are charging stirrup to stirrup. This is a wargame artifact. If you hold him up close to your eye you can see some of the figures filed away, but on the table they look fine. It wouldn't work with these ones. You would have to file the entire lower leg off most of the riders. |
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Post by crazycaptain560 on Oct 1, 2018 6:27:01 GMT
I am a criminal. I base 3 models on a stand. They are visually distinctive, so I don't have any problems with them based this way.
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Post by felixs on Oct 1, 2018 9:09:05 GMT
I too would go with what I think looks best and would use a deeper base and use four figures, if possible. If that still looks ridculous, using three figures is fine.
A deeper base is a slight disadvantage in play. But since the point (for me) is to have fun and since fun (to me) is achieved by playing with distinct armies, the deeper base makes that army different, thus more fun.
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