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Post by greedo on Sept 23, 2018 6:37:09 GMT
Based on the very good discussion about 4Ax and 8Bw over on the other thread, I have an experiment to run:
1) Assume that the army lists do not exist 2) Assume there is a points value assigned to each element (like has been done with the very good D3H2 variant)
Not sure how to run the experiment, but I was wondering if people could custom build their own army, what would they do? How varied would you make the army? Would you just load it up with 3Bd and 3Kn?
With a points system, and after a few tournaments, it hopefully would become immediately obvious which elements are under-powered, over-powered, or at the very least not assigned points correctly.
This might just lead us to the same conclusions that have already been put forward ("8Bw" is too weak against spears, "4Ax needs strengthening against heavy infantry" etc.), but I thought it might make a good thought experiment.
Points systems are of course never perfect, but they can be useful, from a game perspective, to figure out where any weak spots are.
Chris
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Post by davidjconstable on Sept 23, 2018 7:33:19 GMT
Hello Chris
The problem with ALL points systems is two fold: players and the fact that all armies are not balanced.
Taking the first, I have to admit under WRG 5th building a Parthian army with the MAXIMUM cataphracts, it squashed a Samurai army by the expedience of making sure when it came into bow range that the horse archers were in charge range, so became the shooting target.
Now under DBA2.2 I built an army with 11x2Ps, that is not balanced, it might be good against some armies but I doubt it, and how do you propose to work out its value against a Marian with 8x4Bd.
I believe you can approximate a points value, by possibly assuming two values, a higher for the first four, lower/higher depending upon type for any above four. Lower if 2Ps, higher if elephants, you could modify it down to three in the case of ELE, Kn and HCH.
Just a thought. And look at extremes.
David Constable
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Post by stevie on Sept 23, 2018 13:05:16 GMT
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Post by davidjconstable on Sept 24, 2018 8:15:08 GMT
Hello Stevie
That post is very interesting, HOTT not for me so I do not look at things like that.
By the way, I noticed you use the earlier version for Mons Graupius, you need the 1970 or latter version which contains amendments, including numbers for auxilia units.
Noticed it because I am going through all my files sorting out what I do not need, the virus checker does not like working on two million files, by throwing away photos etc. it is down to one million, working on ancients at the moment.
David Constable
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