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Post by nangwaya on Sept 2, 2018 21:58:44 GMT
A few months ago I managed to pick up some figs. at CanGames, where I could make a DBA 3.0 compliant army for the Later Hebrews (I/34c).
I just started painting them up this weekend, and with all those 3Ax (seven of them!) elements, I am painting them up fairly quickly.
I don't mind having so many 3Ax, but with the Later Hebrews having an aggression of 3, doubt very much that they will be defending often, and thus won't be picking terrain pieces and trying to get a field that suits the army composition.
Has anyone played with these guys before or an army similar to them... lots of fast units but high aggression?
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Post by twrnz on Sept 29, 2018 22:16:04 GMT
I have not used Ax heavy armies, but my son uses a couple of armies with reasonable numbers of Ax and can use the troop type well. One these, IV/71a Chimu, is similar to your Hebrew and also has an aggression of 3. My son typically fights historical or near historical opponents with his Chimu. I would suggest trying to fight historical opponents where possible if you can. Many may not be considerably strong themselves, though I haven’t compared historical opponents of the Later Hebrews when writing this response.
In general terms Ax based armies are stronger than you may think, at least compared the DBA 2.2. Against cavalry they are on equal terms. Your speed of advance will be an advantage against some infantry opponents, especially through rough going. You may find you can advance rapidly against an enemy flank while delaying elsewhere, possibly through the use of difficult going. Learning these tactics will be difficult and you will suffer several defeats I suspect.
I hope this helps a little.
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Post by paulhannah on Sept 30, 2018 0:53:01 GMT
Maybe it's just me, but I find it hard to get excited about building either Early or Later Hebrews. The element mix, no doubt very plausible and accurate, is just so...blah, with all those Auxilia. The Benjaminite archers (Fast Bow) spice up the Early Hebrews a little bit from their previous iteration in V-2. I guess if I had to choose one version to build it would be the I/34c Later Hebrews. They at least get the punch of a couple Heavy Chariots.
Now, the DBA-1.1 Early Hebrews, with its 1xWWg (Ark and escorts)...that woulda been fun!
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Post by edonaldson on Sept 30, 2018 1:29:09 GMT
At least they are fast 3Ax. They can be fun to play with in Hilly Terrain but their Aggression of 3 means they will frequently fight on their enemies open fields.....
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Post by nangwaya on Oct 1, 2018 13:45:47 GMT
I have not used Ax heavy armies, but my son uses a couple of armies with reasonable numbers of Ax and can use the troop type well. One these, IV/71a Chimu, is similar to your Hebrew and also has an aggression of 3. My son typically fights historical or near historical opponents with his Chimu. I would suggest trying to fight historical opponents where possible if you can. Many may not be considerably strong themselves, though I haven’t compared historical opponents of the Later Hebrews when writing this response. In general terms Ax based armies are stronger than you may think, at least compared the DBA 2.2. Against cavalry they are on equal terms. Your speed of advance will be an advantage against some infantry opponents, especially through rough going. You may find you can advance rapidly against an enemy flank while delaying elsewhere, possibly through the use of difficult going. Learning these tactics will be difficult and you will suffer several defeats I suspect. I hope this helps a little. I am starting to warm to this Hebrew army.
I will be doing what your son has been doing, and fighting historical opponents.
I just finished them up last night, and will be starting the I/51 Assyrians this evening.
I also pre-ordered enough figs. from Magister Millitum to make three additional armies (I/6b Midianite, I/44a Early Neo-Babylonian, and I/46b Later Kushite), which I will pick up at the SELWG Open Day.
The nice thing about all those armies, is that each one is an enemy of every other army in that group of five.
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Post by twrnz on Oct 1, 2018 18:32:35 GMT
An excellent project and one that DBA is ideal for. Please let us know how you get on.
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Post by twrnz on Nov 6, 2018 1:19:01 GMT
Strangely I picked up a painted Hebrew army (I/34b) myself a couple of days ago in a local auction. It was an impulse buy but seemed well painted. As I hadn’t purchased anything in a while I clicked “buy now”.
I had completely forgotten about this thread. It will be interesting to see how I adapt, given my previous suggestions...
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Post by martin on Nov 6, 2018 9:18:41 GMT
Is that a local wargaming auction, or a random ‘Gumtree’ type ‘sell anything’ affair, Keith....wish we had one with wargaming kit here!
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Post by twrnz on Nov 6, 2018 9:26:24 GMT
Martin, it was a local EBay type auction site. Typically there is little of interest to me but last week four DBA armies came up for sale. They seemed to sell quickly. I was pleased to have managed one purchase. Now I await its arrival...
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Post by nangwaya on Nov 6, 2018 19:04:09 GMT
I have not played with my Late Hebrew army yet. They are sitting on the table waiting for me to finish up the Assyrians.
I could always pit the Hebrews up against one of the Book IV armies I have, but I think I will wait an have them go against a historical opponent.
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Post by Haardrada on Nov 6, 2018 22:33:09 GMT
A few months ago I managed to pick up some figs. at CanGames, where I could make a DBA 3.0 compliant army for the Later Hebrews (I/34c).
I just started painting them up this weekend, and with all those 3Ax (seven of them!) elements, I am painting them up fairly quickly.
I don't mind having so many 3Ax, but with the Later Hebrews having an aggression of 3, doubt very much that they will be defending often, and thus won't be picking terrain pieces and trying to get a field that suits the army composition.
Has anyone played with these guys before or an army similar to them... lots of fast units but high aggression?
I agree with Paulhannah to a degree in that the army lacks a bit of weight...this I would consider adding from a couple of possible allied contingents if running the I/34c list. The I/46b Kushite Egyptians for instance, could offer a further 2xHch and 1x3Bw element or 1xHch and 2x 3Bw.This could give you a fast army with 3 or 4xHch,4x3Ax,1 or 2x 3Bw and 2xPs (including Littorial allies)...that is if the cost is not too prohibitive. I usually don't use a lot of Ax,the largest contingent I have is 3x3Ax in my I/28 Sea peoples army that when painted should block or face off enemy Lch in support of my general while the Bd get to work against anything else. I do however have 2x3Ax in my Norman army that I swear by...they keep up with the Kn,can fight fairly evenly against Cav(less the recoil on a draw for being fast)and are good against Bw and Ps as well as the more usual rough/bad terrain roll. |
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Post by martin on Nov 6, 2018 23:16:34 GMT
I do however have 2x3Ax in my Norman army that I swear by...they keep up with the Kn,can fight fairly evenly against Cav(less the recoil on a draw for being fast)and are good against Bw and Ps as well as the more usual rough/bad terrain roll. The 2 x 3Ax are certainly handy for the Normans. Note, they don't recoil on a draw from Cv, only from Solid foot...so they're tougher than you thought 😊 |
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Post by nangwaya on Nov 7, 2018 13:46:05 GMT
A few months ago I managed to pick up some figs. at CanGames, where I could make a DBA 3.0 compliant army for the Later Hebrews (I/34c).
I just started painting them up this weekend, and with all those 3Ax (seven of them!) elements, I am painting them up fairly quickly.
I don't mind having so many 3Ax, but with the Later Hebrews having an aggression of 3, doubt very much that they will be defending often, and thus won't be picking terrain pieces and trying to get a field that suits the army composition.
Has anyone played with these guys before or an army similar to them... lots of fast units but high aggression?
I agree with Paulhannah to a degree in that the army lacks a bit of weight...this I would consider adding from a couple of possible allied contingents if running the I/34c list. The I/46b Kushite Egyptians for instance, could offer a further 2xHch and 1x3Bw element or 1xHch and 2x 3Bw.This could give you a fast army with 3 or 4xHch,4x3Ax,1 or 2x 3Bw and 2xPs (including Littorial allies)...that is if the cost is not too prohibitive. I usually don't use a lot of Ax,the largest contingent I have is 3x3Ax in my I/28 Sea peoples army that when painted should block or face off enemy Lch in support of my general while the Bd get to work against anything else. I do however have 2x3Ax in my Norman army that I swear by...they keep up with the Kn,can fight fairly evenly against Cav(less the recoil on a draw for being fast)and are good against Bw and Ps as well as the more usual rough/bad terrain roll. I will eventually be painting up a Kushite army, so I will keep them in mind as allies. Will be a good team up against the Assyrians! |
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Post by twrnz on Nov 28, 2018 5:01:11 GMT
In all I have now played five games with the Later Hebrew. Three against New Kingdom Egyptian and two against Mycenaeans. I have managed two victories against the Egyptians and suffered one incompetent loss to them. Against the Mycenaeans I’ve suffered shameful defeat, in record time, and one narrow loss.
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Post by nangwaya on Nov 28, 2018 13:06:02 GMT
In all I have now played five games with the Later Hebrew. Three against New Kingdom Egyptian and two against Mycenaeans. I have managed two victories against the Egyptians and suffered one incompetent loss to them. Against the Mycenaeans I’ve suffered shameful defea, in record time, and one narrow loss. Reading your battle reports and seeing your Hebrew army in action, certainly has been giving me motivation to finish up my Assyrians so I can finally get my Hebrew army on the battlefield! |
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