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Post by greedo on Aug 29, 2018 20:24:48 GMT
Did the Carthaginians ever fight against the Seleucid empire?
I know they both fought the Polybian Romans, but did they ever come blows themselves against each other?
Looking to build a 3rd army past Poly Roman and Later Carth, hopefully with a different makeup of units. Kn and LH heavy armies are looking inviting...
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Post by wyvern on Aug 30, 2018 5:01:50 GMT
I'm going to stick my neck out and say I don't think so but in an alternative history, had Rome not become the power it did, it's possible they might have fought at some point.I think geographically they were quite far apart for the time and that to land an army in either territory from the sea would have been quite an accomplishment.
Maybe build ancient Spanish,Gallic, Numidian, Syracuse? Or build up a Seleucid and Ptolemaic armies so you can fight the wars of the Diodatchi,or even build a Phyric army?
Cheers, Paul.
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Post by stevie on Aug 30, 2018 12:01:48 GMT
Wyvern is quite right...they were at opposite ends of the Mediterranean. Both Carthage and Seleucid Syria had plenty of nearby neighbours to contend with without sailing across the Med looking for a fight. In fact, although both in North Africa, Carthage never fought the Ptolemys either, as a large desert makes a very good barrier. The Army Lists shows who fought who in reality (although the lists do contain many errors and anomalies...all shorted out in the “Army List Corrections” file here: fanaticus.boards.net/post/10636/ )And as Wyvern has pointed out, army II/27b Pyrrhus (280-272 BC) did fight against the I/61b Early Carthaginians (340-275 BC) in Sicilly. Fewer Kn and no SCh perhaps, but with Pk and Elephants Pyrrhus’ army is still very similar to the Seleucid armies. Still, many tournaments have ‘non-historical opponents’, so there is no reason why you can’t do the same at home. Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, such as the “Quick Reference Sheets” from the Society of Ancients,
and the new “Army List Corrections” file: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And this is the latest January 2018 FAQ: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ_2018
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Post by greedo on Aug 30, 2018 17:57:05 GMT
I'm going to stick my neck out and say I don't think so but in an alternative history, had Rome not become the power it did, it's possible they might have fought at some point.I think geographically they were quite far apart for the time and that to land an army in either territory from the sea would have been quite an accomplishment. Maybe build ancient Spanish,Gallic, Numidian, Syracuse? Or build up a Seleucid and Ptolemaic armies so you can fight the wars of the Diodatchi,or even build a Phyric army? Cheers, Paul. Good to know. Thanks Wyvern (is it pronounced "Wivern", or "Y-Vern"? It's my fav mythical beast, but I've never known... Like Chimera) I actually bought the Corvus Belli Carthaginian DBA army (triple) for that very reason, so that I could run a Numidian, Gallic, or Spanish regular sized DBA army with very little extra to purchase! Syracuse would be a good one to finally fulfill my dream of doing hoplites. A friend has Phyric. I suppose I'm starting to dream of Pikes, Knights, and Elephants! Chris |
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Post by greedo on Aug 30, 2018 17:58:22 GMT
Wyvern is quite right...they were at opposite ends of the Mediterranean. Both Carthage and Seleucid Syria had plenty of nearby neighbours to contend with without sailing across the Med looking for a fight. In fact, although both in North Africa, Carthage never fought the Ptolemys either, as a large desert makes a very good barrier. The Army Lists shows who fought who in reality (although the lists do contain many errors and anomalies...all shorted out in the “Army List Corrections” file here: fanaticus.boards.net/post/10636/ )And as Wyvern has pointed out, army II/27b Pyrrhus (280-272 BC) did fight against the I/61b Early Carthaginians (340-275 BC) in Sicilly. Fewer Kn and no SCh perhaps, but with Pk and Elephants Pyrrhus’ army is still very similar to the Seleucid armies. Still, many tournaments have ‘non-historical opponents’, so there is no reason why you can’t do the same at home. Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, such as the “Quick Reference Sheets” from the Society of Ancients,
and the new “Army List Corrections” file: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And this is the latest January 2018 FAQ: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ_2018
Hmm, perhaps Pyrrhus is the way to go. I have 0 interest in tournament games, but I would like to do some historical battles at some point, so that's why I'd prefer to have natural enemies, but at least they're all in the same time period. Thanks again! Chris |
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Post by wyvern on Aug 31, 2018 11:16:26 GMT
I'm going to stick my neck out and say I don't think so but in an alternative history, had Rome not become the power it did, it's possible they might have fought at some point.I think geographically they were quite far apart for the time and that to land an army in either territory from the sea would have been quite an accomplishment. Maybe build ancient Spanish,Gallic, Numidian, Syracuse? Or build up a Seleucid and Ptolemaic armies so you can fight the wars of the Diodatchi,or even build a Phyric army? Cheers, Paul. Good to know. Thanks Wyvern (is it pronounced "Wivern", or "Y-Vern"? It's my fav mythical beast, but I've never known... Like Chimera) I actually bought the Corvus Belli Carthaginian DBA army (triple) for that very reason, so that I could run a Numidian, Gallic, or Spanish regular sized DBA army with very little extra to purchase! Syracuse would be a good one to finally fulfill my dream of doing hoplites. A friend has Phyric. I suppose I'm starting to dream of Pikes, Knights, and Elephants! Chris Hi Chris, my understanding is it's like Why- vern but I might be wrong. Yes, you would get lots of Gauls, Spanish and Numidians as part of a Carthaginian army but of course they could become opponents if you had the figures. I know Carthage campaigned heavily against the Spanish tribes and had a couple of wars with Syracuse. You could also consider it in the context of an alternative history campaign, a what if scenario where the Selucids had designs on a wider empire.... It is said that Alexander himself was eyeing up Carthage as one of his next targets for a campaign, who's to say that Alexander's successors might not want to continue his dream?( it would involve conquering a lot of other territory first though) I think on the other had that a Phyrrhic army would be a lot of fun, Hannibal regarded him as the best general that ever lived which is praise indeed, so perhaps Pyhrrhus and his army deserve to be played : ) |
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