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Post by goragrad on Feb 10, 2018 5:12:01 GMT
The question of Ch'in cahriot colors came up on TMP a few days ago. Duncan Head posted a link to this pdf of the report from Bavarian\Chinese work on the excavation of the First Emperor's tomb. www.rkk.ar.tum.de/fileadmin/w00ble/www/media_rkk/downloads/BLD_AH_83_Teil1.pdfAmong other things the Ch'in command chariots were painted black with decorations. It also notes the various color combinations on the individual soldiers. Glad I hadn't gotten too far painting mine. |
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Feb 10, 2018 14:15:28 GMT
 That is a massive article. Good thing I already painted my army in 2009 with black chariots. 😎 I didn't have an inside scoop on any research, it just looked right with the black flags. |
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Post by goragrad on Feb 11, 2018 7:33:42 GMT
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Post by Michael Demko on Feb 12, 2018 18:04:48 GMT
Unfortunate timing  I have already painted all of my figures for an army of this period, and it would appear I've done it all wrong. Oh well, my army is pretty nonetheless! |
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Feb 13, 2018 15:26:01 GMT
Unfortunate timing I have already painted all of my figures for an army of this period, and it would appear I've done it all wrong. Oh well, my army is pretty nonetheless! I wouldn't let that worry you. If they don't work for the Qin, maybe they can be for one of the other Warring States of the period. They can't all look the same, otherwise when they fought each other, you would not be able to tell them apart. It is part of that artistic license.  |
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Post by Michael Demko on Feb 13, 2018 15:32:32 GMT
I specifically didn't build a Qin army, since I figured they were the one other players were most likely to already have  I do hope to eventually paint enough elements from this period that I can field at least a BBDBA army for one of the warring states lists, and by then I should have enough of a mix of colors I can claim I knew what I was doing! |
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Post by weddier on Feb 13, 2018 19:19:36 GMT
I liked the info on Chinese Purple and vanadinite yellow. I wasn't aware of those pigments before. |
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Post by goragrad on Feb 14, 2018 6:23:38 GMT
As a friend noted in discussion in an army with thousands of chariots, there might well be a variety of colors. Particularly considering that the chariots in the tomb were likely command chariots. There might well have been a different scheme for rank and file. One other interesting point in the first reference was that the lacquer used was resistant to all of the solvents used except nitric acid - in another reference it was noted that all the remained of the lacquered leather armor in found in tombs was the lacquer. On the other hand the lacquer plates were still linked and could be handled. One of the reasons I tend to believe that nearly all Chinese and other Asian armor was lacquered. For another piece on the purple - www.ldeo.columbia.edu/edu/eesj/gradpubs/GeneralMags/patel_chinesepurple_Archeology.pdfI plan on using a fair bit of purple on my Ch'in and Han. |
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I have already painted all of my figures for an army of this period, and it would appear I've done it all wrong. Oh well, my army is pretty nonetheless!
I do hope to eventually paint enough elements from this period that I can field at least a BBDBA army for one of the warring states lists, and by then I should have enough of a mix of colors I can claim I knew what I was doing!