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Post by larryr on Feb 9, 2018 23:36:41 GMT
So I ordered the rules today thinking it was in stock. The company emailed me and said 2 to 4 weeks. That timing is short as its close to Cold Wars where I wanted to buy what I needed to complete a French and English mid to late medieval army. Could someone list the two army lists for me so I know what to get if the rules dont get to me in time? Thank you in advance.
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Post by jdesmond on Feb 10, 2018 4:04:11 GMT
Salutations, Larry !
OK, we have: IV/23, Feudal Eng 1181-1322 IV/62, 100 Yrs War Eng, a,b,c,d, 1322-1455 IV/83, WOTR Eng, a,b,c, 1455-87
and IV/4, Feudal French, a,b, 1070-1330 IV/64, Medieval French, a,b,c, 1330-1445 IV/82, French Ordon, a,b, 1445-1503
Am going to pick year of 1399, which gives Eng: 1 Gen 3K/4Bd, 2 x Eng men-at-arms 4Bd, 1 archers 4Lbw-mtd/4Lbw, 5 x 4 Lbw, 1 Gascon... men-at-arms 3K/4Bd, 1 Gascon 4Sp or Welsh 3Pk, 1 3Lbw or 4 Lbw or 4Xbw
Fr: 1 Gen 3K/4Bd, 2 men-at-arms 3K/4Bd, 3 x pavisirs 4Sp, 2 x 4Xbw, 3 x noble knights 3K/4Bd or Jacquerie 5Hd, 1 Ps or 7Hd
Note French list changes - b:1347-1400, c:1401-1445
Hope this helps. Let us know if 'tis not what thou needest.
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Post by larryr on Feb 10, 2018 14:31:21 GMT
Oh my what have I gotten myself into? My cursory knowledge of DBA did not take into account the flexibility your response alludes to. I was thinking of maybe getting a pre-packaged army vendors sell but being able to pick and choose by year sounds much better. So I think some of the figures I already have are later medieval and was going to rebase and use some of them. Looks like i need to do more research. Thank you for the response I want to dissect your list and get back to you to ensure I understand.
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Post by primuspilus on Feb 10, 2018 23:50:48 GMT
So I ordered the rules today thinking it was in stock. The company emailed me and said 2 to 4 weeks. That timing is short as its close to Cold Wars where I wanted to buy what I needed to complete a French and English mid to late medieval army. Could someone list the two army lists for me so I know what to get if the rules dont get to me in time? Thank you in advance. IV/62, IV/64 and IV/83 are listed in the Kindle Version of the rules: ($8 on Amazon) www.amazon.com/Sue-Laflin-Barkers-Start-Ancient-Wargaming-ebook/dp/B00UVXDQXEIn case you can't wait for an adequate set of "Fighting Instructions" with which to effectively plan your tactics and strategy till the Flying Purple People Eater arrives on your doorstep!
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Post by larryr on Feb 13, 2018 13:35:53 GMT
So I ordered the rules today thinking it was in stock. The company emailed me and said 2 to 4 weeks. That timing is short as its close to Cold Wars where I wanted to buy what I needed to complete a French and English mid to late medieval army. Could someone list the two army lists for me so I know what to get if the rules dont get to me in time? Thank you in advance. IV/62, IV/64 and IV/83 are listed in the Kindle Version of the rules: ($8 on Amazon) www.amazon.com/Sue-Laflin-Barkers-Start-Ancient-Wargaming-ebook/dp/B00UVXDQXEIn case you can't wait for an adequate set of "Fighting Instructions" with which to effectively plan your tactics and strategy till the Flying Purple People Eater arrives on your doorstep! Thanks primuspilus, if my OCD takes over I may have to do that. Right now I am keeping the faith that the big purple book gets to me in time!
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Post by larryr on Feb 13, 2018 13:37:46 GMT
Salutations, Larry ! OK, we have: IV/23, Feudal Eng 1181-1322 IV/62, 100 Yrs War Eng, a,b,c,d, 1322-1455 IV/83, WOTR Eng, a,b,c, 1455-87 and IV/4, Feudal French, a,b, 1070-1330 IV/64, Medieval French, a,b,c, 1330-1445 IV/82, French Ordon, a,b, 1445-1503 Am going to pick year of 1399, which gives Eng: 1 Gen 3K/4Bd, 2 x Eng men-at-arms 4Bd, 1 archers 4Lbw-mtd/4Lbw, 5 x 4 Lbw, 1 Gascon... men-at-arms 3K/4Bd, 1 Gascon 4Sp or Welsh 3Pk, 1 3Lbw or 4 Lbw or 4Xbw Fr: 1 Gen 3K/4Bd, 2 men-at-arms 3K/4Bd, 3 x pavisirs 4Sp, 2 x 4Xbw, 3 x noble knights 3K/4Bd or Jacquerie 5Hd, 1 Ps or 7Hd Note French list changes - b:1347-1400, c:1401-1445 Hope this helps. Let us know if 'tis not what thou needest. I think I have it figured out I will post soon what I plan to do to see if it makes sense. other than what you state above I am allowed either camp followers or a defender base of some type for the cam that doesn't go against my 12 elements correct?
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Post by menacussecundus on Feb 13, 2018 16:55:25 GMT
I think I have it figured out I will post soon what I plan to do to see if it makes sense. other than what you state above I am allowed either camp followers or a defender base of some type for the cam that doesn't go against my 12 elements correct? Correct. Camp followers - or a city's denizens - are in addition to the 12 elements which make up your army.
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Post by panthros on Feb 16, 2018 3:12:33 GMT
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Post by larryr on Feb 16, 2018 13:37:23 GMT
Thanks I saw those but for a new player or the initiated that gives you way more than you need. I'm good with what jdesmond gave me
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Post by bob on Feb 16, 2018 19:14:16 GMT
For a beginning player sues book is a better bet than the full rule book. The main thing is it gives an example of how to play the game. The rulebook just tells you the rules, but gives you no way of understanding how to play: How to set up your army, put out terrain, move, shoot, do close combat. All the rules are included in Sue’s book.
It is useful for a beginner to look at some of the YouTube games that Tony shows.
By the way, a camp follower It’s just a stand 40 mm wide and 20 mm deep with two or three figures, civilians or ligot troops on it. They defend the camp, but in some circumstances can sortie. You can also put one of the 12 elements in the camp instead. You may also leave the camp undefended if you want. denizens are civilian defenders of a city. Most experienced players would not recommend a beginner to use a city. In any event, you only need to represent these with a stand of figures, if they are going to sortie.
Sue’s book contains the details for the hundred years war armies, both French and English. Here is an example: IV/62b English Army 1334-1414 AD: 1 x General (3Kn/4Bd), 2 x English men-at-arms (4Bd), 1 x archers (4Lb/Mtd-4Lb), 5 x archers (4Lb), 1 x Gascon, Hainaulter or Brabanter men-at-arms (3Kn/4Bd), 1 x Gascon brigans (Sp) or Welsh “knifemen” (3Pk), 1 x Welsh archers (3/4Lb) or Gascon crossbowmen (4Cb). ; A / between two types means that the element Can be deployed as either a mounted type or the foot. 3Kn/4Bd means either Knight element with 3 figures or a Blade element with 4 figures. There is a special rule that allows a dismounted three figure element to dismount as a three figure foot element. A slash between 2 foot types, means you can choose either one, such as Welsh archers can be either three long bow or four.
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Post by panthros on Feb 16, 2018 21:29:07 GMT
Thanks I saw those but for a new player or the initiated that gives you way more than you need. I'm good with what jdesmond gave me I am not sure what you mean by Essex giving you more than what you need. You need 12 units. If you are new, you are not sure how to configure your army or what units to buy. What is easier than buy one pack at a reasonable cost that has all of the options you need to build that army. I am a returning player but it has been 8+ years so I feel like a new player. I never owned armies in the past. The local store and people I knew had the armies. Essex has made it so easy, I have now bought 4 Essex DBA 3 army packs and it contains everything I need outside of bases. It all started with Sue's book lol!
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Post by larryr on Feb 16, 2018 22:44:57 GMT
My point is it says 3 Gen for one army you only need one. I plan on using Essex as well but only get what I need to fill the gaps of what I already have.
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Post by jdesmond on Feb 17, 2018 1:01:58 GMT
Salutations again, Larry, and gentlepeople !
C&B Minis - cbminis.com - are US dealers of Essex, and _really_ good people to business with. They should be at Cold Wars, with most of the Essex line, in packs of 4 or 8, on their table. Don't see the complete armies you're interested in on their webpage, but a message "Could you order these from Merrie Olde, and I'll pick them up at Cold Wars" might work. If not, can make list of needed figs from Essex's list and bring to convention.
Webage sez 'closed until Cold Wars' - IIRC 'tis because Mr. Rossi is retiring from 'real job', moving, so...
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Post by jdesmond on Feb 17, 2018 1:19:47 GMT
Salutations, again, Larry, mayhaps you've gotten confused here, if you've looked at www.essexminiatures.co.uk/products/dba-3-4-64a-medieval-french-1330-1346ad or similar page, because they're listing the contents as _individual figures_ - ie, a MID 68 and a MID 68a and a MID 10 as 'three guys on horseback wearing armor', which you'll paint up and mount on one stand. Likewise fifteen more knights to mount on five stands, and seven varlets to make one stand of Hd...
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Post by larryr on Feb 17, 2018 1:32:22 GMT
Thank you I see that now. I've looked at the website and know what I need but it's a good idea to email CB to make sure they have what I need.
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