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Post by medievalthomas on Dec 20, 2017 17:16:51 GMT
The key sentence is:
"A flank or rear contact on an element providing rear support is treated as if on the supported element."
It means what it says. So whatever type of contact you have with the supporting element counts as if contact on the supported element. So if this type of contact would provide a -1 overlap modifier - it does. Bear in mind that you can only be overlapped once per flank.
Generally when Phil uses a word he means its dictionary definition. He rarely defines terms to have game meanings. We have to make them up ourselves (like Quick Kill). He never feels bound to express the same concept using the same words. So its rarely helpful to look around at other rules and try and project some meaning unto a different sentence based on some odd turn of phrase used elsewhere. It would be extremely helpful if we had terms such as Hard Flank (to represent front edge to flank contact), Flank (to represent a simple corner to corner overlap) and Friction Flank (to represent mutual flank contact), but we don't. So here we must apply the simpliest and clearest definition of contact - ie any touching except just corner to corner (and Joe thinks this should count too).
If it helps just pick up the element and put it in the same relative position with the supported element - if that creates an overlap than so be it.
TomT
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Post by jim1973 on Dec 22, 2017 3:12:14 GMT
Tony Aguilar posted on the thread "Back to mutual flank contact as original thread has detoured" a desire for a consensus on this rule. I posted the following poll idea on that thread so I'm cross-posting it here for completeness:
I agree with Tony. Those who know Phil have suggested that as an "old school" gamer, he would expect opponents to discuss and decide the interpretation between themselves. In the digital age, we could poll the Fanaticus members on how they interpret this situation based on the rules as written. I think the FAQ committee is best placed to perform the poll and use the information. Here is a first draft at a poll question to help:
An element of Pike and Warband is providing a positive tactical factor in close combat to a friendly element by being in front edge to rear edge contact with the friendly element. The supporting element is in mutual side edge to side edge overlap with an enemy element. Based on the rules as written, you would interpret this situation as:
a) No effect b) -1 tactical factor
Jim
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