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Post by constabledavid on Oct 29, 2017 19:11:30 GMT
Nice write up.
Matched pairs are always interesting.
David Constable
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Post by constabledavid on Oct 29, 2017 9:25:18 GMT
Gentlemen.
Sorry to reiterate but I do so for those few who do not know - I hate DBA3.0, it went to far from DBA2.2, to become a sub-set of DBMM.
You are killing it, and it will end up like games of WRG 6th, look for the things you can exploit, loopholes and super armies.
It needs to be made clearer, write for a 12 year old, bullet points etc. Put things where they belong, if it belongs under movement put it there.
I have just spent nearly £300 on figures to upgrade my DBA2.2 armies to DBA3.0, I now regret that. So I will go back to my 1982 rules and continue to modify, using 6mm figures.
David Constable
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Post by constabledavid on Oct 28, 2017 11:34:49 GMT
I think so, it makes sense, I wonder how many people have bothered to follow the trail, name to colour, then shade of colour, and did they in the end go for yellow-brown.
I was tempted to follow-up with sheep types, but at the moment I am leaving that, if my Late Romans end up with cloaks I shall follow Roman paintings and use yellow-brown.
David Constable
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Post by constabledavid on Oct 28, 2017 9:51:47 GMT
Looking further at Russet Apples there is a very big problem over using "russet" as a colour.
The number of varieties means the colour of a Russet Apple varies from yellow-brown to red-green. In Worcestershire (Vale of Evesham) my local colour is yellow-brown.
David Constable
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Post by constabledavid on Oct 28, 2017 9:42:35 GMT
Thanks, 7th century is another few hundred years on, but might in part explain the problem, the Byzantine/Romans used Greek (most of the time), now if in Byzantine Greek it is different, then we could arrive at red, so I would suspect in northern climes of Europe waterproof sheep skins, in the East cloth, possibly with officers and elite troops using red.
In Latin it would appear "russus" is red, however, in late Latin (probably our period) "russeta" means rough wool cloth. So probably it should say "russeta" not "russus".
David Constable
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Post by constabledavid on Oct 28, 2017 9:26:20 GMT
'Never ask a man if he comes from Yorkshire. If he does, he will tell you without asking. If he does not, why humiliate him?'" Still very true to this day... Oh and yes another Yorkshireman. You can always tell a Yorkshireman..................................you just can't tell him much! I always like the question "The Wars of the Roses was between the Houses of York and Lancaster. Who won?" Answer: "The Welsh (Tudors)." See the 1066 A.D. posts, just another example of its idiosyncrasies.
David Constable
P.S. - Another is why let Scotland have an independence vote, but not the English, do they not think we should get it, or are they worried we might decide in favour, so no more Scottish Prime Ministers.
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Post by constabledavid on Oct 26, 2017 17:00:40 GMT
Having looked at the descriptions, and in some cases pictures of roman cloaks (paintings etc.), it looks like a "yellow-brown" makes sense, so "Russet apple" not red is correct. The general description varies but for a waterproof cloak then sheep skin, unwashed and unbleached is a good start, it might start off-white, but as it gets dirtier it will darken. If the cloak does not particularly need to be waterproof then unbleached cloth washed occasionally would be OK.
David Constable
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Post by constabledavid on Oct 26, 2017 12:44:18 GMT
Thanks Simon.
I buy Russets when available round the corner, when he can he gets locally grown stuff.
But like you that is not what the colour seems to be, is it a case that "red-brown" not "yellow-brown" was meant, or is it that "russus" was not derived from a red dye.
Will have to try looking for Roman cloaks and see what I can find on the internet.
David Constable
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Post by constabledavid on Oct 26, 2017 12:34:31 GMT
I was thinking about redoing my WotR army, this led me to three of my four grandparents originated we think in the Yorkshire/Lancashire areas.
To add to that it led on to cricket, I seem to remember that at one time the Yorkshire cricket club would only use players born? in Yorkshire. This caused more than one problem over whether a player came from Yorkshire or Lancashire.
David Constable
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Post by constabledavid on Oct 25, 2017 19:36:53 GMT
In DBA3.0 the army list II/64 mentions Roman cloaks in "russus", it then goes on to describe it as "yellow-brown".
Now all the sights I have used to check this say red (I assume russet?).
Does anybody know this colour, and what it is, I use CdA paints, but could probably get another make if I need to.
David Constable
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Post by constabledavid on Oct 25, 2017 7:39:43 GMT
I was reminded by a neighbour that about eight years ago (from her memory) that a French group of actors did a play about the 100 years war in Pershore or Evesham, they were shaken by the fact that whenever the French appeared the audience booed, when the English appeared they cheered, it did not happen in France.
We used to have an old lady who on armistice day would burn a paper tricolour at the war memorial, she lost a grandson at Dunkirk, and blamed the French, not the Germans who had killed him.
The anti French and German feeling in this country is stronger and deeper routed than a lot of people realise, especially I think amongst the over 50s/60s.
David Constable
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Post by constabledavid on Oct 21, 2017 6:21:45 GMT
Interesting idea.
In general shooting by artillery is not included overhead, you cannot shoot to or from a hill over friends.
Roman bolt shooters on mule carts is a possible example that might occur on the level.
There will be others.
David Constable
P.S. - Looking at this again it needs a couple of modifications. Towers are an example of shooting on the level, but VERY rare (why I forgot). Elephants on the level are more of a problem, archers and possibly slingers shooting at elephants might work on the level, elephants with archers or artillery might be good candidates on the level. Forts and city walls are the obvious candidates, however you are likely to shoot at a priority target, such as a tower, so again overhead, ignore the javelin psiloi in front (and nearest).
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Post by constabledavid on Oct 19, 2017 6:49:03 GMT
On Monday I played with Early Imperial Roman verses Ancient British, in the second game it destroyed three out of the four elements killed, all warbands. Despite this I lost.
In the first game only the auxilia were involved, I won.
If you have either enough bow, or the correct targets it can work. For instance, if you have an artillery piece on one flank, you might scare an opponent into deploying their elephants on the other flank, where you want them to go.
David Constable
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Post by constabledavid on Oct 17, 2017 18:03:13 GMT
My torment is old age.
I cannot take in rule changes that are so big, trying to play at the club verses Scott and Greg I find myself asking questions, the trouble is I am thinking 4th WRG now.
Going to Bakewell I got a junction wrong, I forgot the route temporarily, with a map in hand.
Playing I am OK if playing with somebody who knows the rules, and I forget history.
David Constable Your wits were sharp and you played a good game with excellent knowledge of the rules. Time to give 3.0 a warm cuddle!!! Simon We had a straightforward game, it was easy play.
Two out of three games on Monday (16th) were straightforward, but the third was hard work, and I needed to look up too many things. Terrain is my main thing, I just cannot get my head round it.
David Constable
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Post by constabledavid on Oct 17, 2017 15:20:25 GMT
Antoine, Just curious, do you consider the Normans to actually have been French at the time of the Battle of Hastings? Scott So Viking Normans (i.e. North men) led by a bastard invaded Kent (the south of England) from the south to fight and win a Battle against Anglo-Saxons from Denmark and Germany, who had just defeated the real Viking invasion in the North at the home of Chelsea Football Club....and that is why the English hate the French? There is only one country in the world where that would make any sense! That's about this country, 1746 A.D. more Scots fought for the English than against. Having repeatedly defeated the Scots, at Union we adopted the Scots flag colour as the Ground colour of the Union flag (oldest Kingdom).
South Africa we fought against a people trying to get their freedom, then effectively gave them the country after we won.
I once read a book about countries where we had fought, and the very few we did not.
David Constable
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