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Post by Haardrada on Feb 21, 2018 22:32:54 GMT
Great looking armies.😊
I have the Later Swiss option too and love the army.Sadly my Early Swiss army is incomplete at the momment and is well down the list of priorities as I tackle my existing lead mountain...so this year is dedicated to Indian armies and Ghaznavids unless I can move the mountain.🏔
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Post by gregorius on Feb 21, 2018 23:33:41 GMT
The tents will do admirably, I planned to do some Leitzen walls with a fallen tree blocking the road that a camp guard element can lurk behind.q My late Swiss have a pair off basic scruffy tents with a camp guard element all kneeling to pray with a priest...just like the Burgundians mocked before they got a good kicking.lol Can you please explain what are Leitzen walls and provide a link to an image or 2? I've done a Google search without any success. TIA. Cheers,
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Post by paddy649 on Feb 21, 2018 23:45:27 GMT
Hey Kaptainkobold - love your Early Swiss. Nice AAR on the Stronghold (rebuilt) about their first defeat "Swiss Miss." LOL! Don't new armies always roll bad!
I'm kind of humbled though as I've been following you for years on the Stronghold - even before the first one sank into the swamp. You have been an inspiration (you are to blame!) for all of my HOTT armies that have yet to see the light of day on the web. I still think your Alice in Wonderland army is one of the most creative pieces of modelling I have ever seen and hanker after your UNIT and Dalek armies. So I was surprised that I got to the Early Swiss a few months before you. I love the Early Swiss because they are so unusual, colourful and odd - even if they are a bit crap on the table top.
What's next for you in BDA or HOTT?
Paddy
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Post by Haardrada on Feb 22, 2018 0:41:19 GMT
The tents will do admirably, I planned to do some Leitzen walls with a fallen tree blocking the road that a camp guard element can lurk behind.q My late Swiss have a pair off basic scruffy tents with a camp guard element all kneeling to pray with a priest...just like the Burgundians mocked before they got a good kicking.lol Can you please explain what are Leitzen walls and provide a link to an image or 2? I've done a Google search without any success. TIA. Cheers, Hi Gregorious I think your search has been hindered by my miss-spelling...its letzinen or letzi.They are defensive walls built as early as Roman times in Germany and Switzerland linked to other fortifications...check wikepedia for several examples and images.
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Post by gregorius on Feb 22, 2018 1:47:12 GMT
Can you please explain what are Leitzen walls and provide a link to an image or 2? I've done a Google search without any success. TIA. Cheers, Hi Gregorious I think your search has been hindered by my miss-spelling...its letzinen or letzi.They are defensive walls built as early as Roman times in Germany and Switzerland linked to other fortifications...check wikepedia for several examples and images. Thanks for that. I'll retry the Google image search and check out Wikipedia as well. Cheers,
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Post by Baldie on Feb 22, 2018 2:51:18 GMT
Must be something about Medus I bought some when a bright eyed youth as me and chums planned on doing WFB in 15mm. Poor lads sat round in a box for 30 odd years before getting based up. Did a Swiss based generic medieval type army for Lart and DBA.
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Post by kaptainkobold on Feb 22, 2018 22:05:37 GMT
Hey Kaptainkobold - love your Early Swiss. Nice AAR on the Stronghold (rebuilt) about their first defeat "Swiss Miss." LOL! Don't new armies always roll bad! I'm kind of humbled though as I've been following you for years on the Stronghold - even before the first one sank into the swamp. You have been an inspiration (you are to blame!) for all of my HOTT armies that have yet to see the light of day on the web. I still think your Alice in Wonderland army is one of the most creative pieces of modelling I have ever seen and hanker after your UNIT and Dalek armies. So I was surprised that I got to the Early Swiss a few months before you. I love the Early Swiss because they are so unusual, colourful and odd - even if they are a bit crap on the table top. What's next for you in BDA or HOTT? Paddy Aww thanks! Glad to know I've been an inspiration. My next step is to morph my generic medieval HOTT army into a couple of viable historical DBA opponents for the Swiss. I have the figures, and they're mostly painted, so it should be a matter of tidying them up, changing the livery where appropriate and then basing. The new elements will give it more options as a HOTT army as well, so a win all round Other than that I have no idea what my plans are; I've really lost all interest in painting, so I guess I'll mostly be gaming with what I have until I can be bothered to do something new. Even the Swiss were figures where 95% of the painting had already been done for me
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Post by paddy649 on Feb 24, 2018 9:40:04 GMT
My next step is to morph my generic medieval HOTT army into a couple of viable historical DBA opponents for the Swiss. I have the figures, and they're mostly painted, so it should be a matter of tidying them up, changing the livery where appropriate and then basing. The new elements will give it more options as a HOTT army as well, so a win all round Other than that I have no idea what my plans are; I've really lost all interest in painting, so I guess I'll mostly be gaming with what I have until I can be bothered to do something new. Even the Swiss were figures where 95% of the painting had already been done for me Looks like you've cracked how to use the Swiss from "Swiss Roll." I used wargamer's logic and reckoned that if 3Bd were good then 6Bd would be better and then 9 of them would be best. Not necessarily so! I've never got them winning against Burgundians but have found them good in heavy terrain and against armies where their +1 vs foot can be made to count but against historical opponents with knights they get rolled over - here the late Swiss option of swapping in 4 units of Pk can form a useful core of pointy sticks to keep the Knights at bay. I changed jobs recently and in doing that lost my painting mojo ....I haven't done anything since before Christmas. So I'm also in need inspiration or a project to commit to get going again. I the interim I'm trying to keep up the gaming with a personal 6x6....I suppose I could restrict my DBA and HOTT games to using at least 1 new unit to force the mojo's return......but that'll probably have me reaching for 7 Wonders Duel or Odin's Ravens again.
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Post by kaptainkobold on Mar 2, 2018 5:30:40 GMT
Looks like you've cracked how to use the Swiss from "Swiss Roll." I used wargamer's logic and reckoned that if 3Bd were good then 6Bd would be better and then 9 of them would be best. It seems to be working for me - the best tactic does seem to be to hurl them forward as quickly as possible, and hope for the best, but setting up overlaps and making sure you choose the order of combats helps. Being the defender helps even more They have had two outings, both documented on my blog hordesofthethings.blogspot.com.au/2018/02/swiss-roll.htmlhordesofthethings.blogspot.com.au/2018/03/seriously-more-swiss.htmlThe first does feature a couple of games with them in their Early Late Swiss incarnation, which proved fairly interesting - the mix of 6Bd and 4Pk made for a fun army. I have now acquired some *more* figures, so may be able to create everything I need for the Late Swiss 'b' list as well.
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Post by Haardrada on Mar 2, 2018 9:16:11 GMT
Great game reports and glad to see the Swiss succeeded.I can suggest further terrain options that you may wish to consider if your not already aware of them... Firstly, maximize your hill size..its bad going and your Bd and Ps like it anyway. BUA...you noticed how protective hamlets are for your foot..edifices do the same as they too are bad going.😉 Forts however are a different entity.,on the plus side they cost nothing to your losses if given up or lost and can offer you a flank threat or strengthened deffence line.Their disadvantage is that they can offer the same to your opponent. Roads can narrow the terrain choice to only 2 of the board edges. Woods too can be advantagous if placed to narrow the battlefield as it can effect your opponents deployment and you can move through with ease to assault flanks...as you noted General control range can be an issue. In essence you have the Swiss spirit by not waiting arround and attacking but often it was more than a general charge.😉 Check out Swiss Military Tactics in battlefieldanomalies.com
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Post by kaptainkobold on Mar 19, 2018 4:48:37 GMT
Great game reports and glad to see the Swiss succeeded.I can suggest further terrain options that you may wish to consider if your not already aware of them... Firstly, maximize your hill size..its bad going and your Bd and Ps like it anyway. BUA...you noticed how protective hamlets are for your foot..edifices do the same as they too are bad going.😉 Forts however are a different entity.,on the plus side they cost nothing to your losses if given up or lost and can offer you a flank threat or strengthened deffence line.Their disadvantage is that they can offer the same to your opponent. Roads can narrow the terrain choice to only 2 of the board edges. Woods too can be advantagous if placed to narrow the battlefield as it can effect your opponents deployment and you can move through with ease to assault flanks...as you noted General control range can be an issue. In essence you have the Swiss spirit by not waiting arround and attacking but often it was more than a general charge.😉 Check out Swiss Military Tactics in battlefieldanomalies.comMaximising hill size works up to a point, but you risk not being able to place them if they end up in the same sector. This has happened in a couple of games, leaving the Swiss defending a billiard-table Whilst an edifice offers more bad going, which is OK for the Swiss foot, I find a hamlet more useful. The Swiss blades get to move through it as a group, and are not slowed, but the enemy knights can't instantly kill them whilst they are in it, and that's their biggest vulnerability. The only downside is that they lose their +1 vs enemy foot, but that's the case in the bad going as well. Whilst my reports *do* imply a general charge, I am a little more subtle than that, and have attacked with one wing whilst holding back or simply supporting with the other. But it's not an army which sits around waiting for the enemy to come to it
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