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Post by felixs on Apr 30, 2017 18:55:24 GMT
Dear all,
in recent editions of DBA, Wb that gave rear support would die if the fighting (front) element died. (I hope I remember this correctly).
Now, in DBA 3, this is not the case anymore. The Wb in the rear would survive. Is that correct?
Thank you!
Felix
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Post by stevie on Apr 30, 2017 20:11:20 GMT
You are correct, elements giving rear support (i.e. Wb, Pk, and now LH) are not destroyed nor do they recoil if the front rank they are supporting is destroyed. But the rear elements in a column, even if they are not providing rear support, are also destroyed if attacked in the flank when the front element is destroyed. This is described under Destroyed Elements, page 12, paragraph 1:- Flank and rear destruction: An element that has an enemy front edge in contact with its side or rear edge is destroyed by recoiling, being pushed back, fleeing, or being in a column whose front element is destroyed ( See diagrams 19b, 19c and 20a to 20f, as well as the FAQ). Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, including the latest FAQ and the Quick Reference Sheets from the Society of Ancients:-
fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
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Post by felixs on Apr 30, 2017 20:23:04 GMT
Thank you.
That is very helpful!
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Post by gaelyann on May 31, 2017 21:07:02 GMT
You are correct, elements giving rear support (i.e. Wb, Pk, and now LH) are not destroyed nor do they recoil if the front rank they are supporting is destroyed. But the rear elements in a column, even if they are not providing rear support, are also destroyed if attacked in the flank when the front element is destroyed. This is described under Destroyed Elements, page 12, paragraph 1:- Flank and rear destruction: An element that has an enemy front edge in contact with its side or rear edge is destroyed by recoiling, being pushed back, fleeing, or being in a column whose front element is destroyed ( See diagrams 19b, 19c and 20a to 20f, as well as the FAQ). Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, including the latest FAQ and the Quick Reference Sheets from the Society of Ancients:-
fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
Okay, si is that the consensus around here ? Front element destroyed -> rear supporting element not destroyed if not itself flanked ? |
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Post by twrnz on May 31, 2017 22:43:25 GMT
That is correct. The wording under "Destroyed Elements" is different to previous editions.
Steve has noted the exception around columns. The diagrams are certainly useful here.
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Post by gaelyann on Jun 1, 2017 5:47:06 GMT
That is correct. The wording under "Destroyed Elements" is different to previous editions. Steve has noted the exception around columns. The diagrams are certainly useful here. OK, so I should have written to be complete : Front element destroyed -> rear supporting element not destroyed if not itself flanked or in column. |
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Post by twrnz on Jun 1, 2017 5:49:31 GMT
Correct
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Post by medievalthomas on Jun 1, 2017 16:12:21 GMT
It also helps woeful Pike armies. The change is very much intentional - and much lobbied for.
The no 3 element column pushback was added late - but I think its good edition and encourages historical formations - ie don't fight in deep columns.
TomT
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Post by bob on Jun 1, 2017 18:58:59 GMT
That is correct. The wording under "Destroyed Elements" is different to previous editions. Steve has noted the exception around columns. The diagrams are certainly useful here. OK, so I should have written to be complete : Front element destroyed -> rear supporting element not destroyed if not itself flanked or in column.I am confused by what you were saying here. If the front supported element is destroyed, the rear element is not destroyed for having provided support, period. Any second rank element is destroyed if it is flanked with the front or in a column. This has nothing to do with giving support so why conflate the two circumstances. The one important consideration of giving support or not is that a supporting element is not turned to face A flank or rear attack. |
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Post by gaelyann on Jun 1, 2017 20:07:15 GMT
OK, so I should have written to be complete : Front element destroyed -> rear supporting element not destroyed if not itself flanked or in column.I am confused by what you were saying here. If the front supported element is destroyed, the rear element is not destroyed for having provided support, period. Any second rank element is destroyed if it is flanked with the front or in a column. This has nothing to do with giving support so why conflate the two circumstances. The one important consideration of giving support or not is that a supporting element is not turned to face A flank or rear attack. Sorry, I guess that's what I meant, but english is not my mother tongue... |
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Post by bob on Jun 1, 2017 21:04:22 GMT
I would've never guessed it given your general text! I guess it was just the arrow that confused me, I don't know what language that's from. just between us, I wish that Phil's native language were English :-)
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