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Post by phippsy on Apr 26, 2017 20:24:51 GMT
In this list normal allies are noted as in other lists. I then noted that there are two entries that confused me these are ....or (0-2 of III/73a) or (0-2 of III/73b). For normal allies if you have one Ally then one takes exactly 3 elements, one of which is the general's element, one from the modal elements and ANOther. If two allies used then exactly 2 elements from each of the Ally List so one of the two is the general.
Why state then 0-2 for Papal Italian. If 0 is that no ally elements? If 1 then must be the general. I have not picked this up in other army lists, and is it just a quirk of this one?
Thanks
Peter
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Post by timurilank on Apr 26, 2017 21:17:23 GMT
In this list normal allies are noted as in other lists. I then noted that there are two entries that confused me these are ....or (0-2 of III/73a) or (0-2 of III/73b). For normal allies if you have one Ally then one takes exactly 3 elements, one of which is the general's element, one from the modal elements and ANOther. If two allies used then exactly 2 elements from each of the Ally List so one of the two is the general. Why state then 0-2 for Papal Italian. If 0 is that no ally elements? If 1 then must be the general. I have not picked this up in other army lists, and is it just a quirk of this one? Thanks Peter Peter,
That is interesting and unique. The reduced numbers for an allied contingent reflects the 'casual attitude' certain Communal Cities had regarding their obligations. (from the text section III/77).
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Post by stevie on Apr 26, 2017 22:21:35 GMT
I don’t think that it refers to the number of allied elements, but more like the number of allied contingents.
So the III/77 Papal Italian Army can have zero, 1 or 2 separate allied III/73a Communal Italian contingents in 1029-1150 AD.
Likewise, III/77 could also have zero, 1 or 2 separate allied III/73b Communal Italian contingents in 1151-1150 AD.
(As well as lots of other contingents from several other nations in varying combinations up to a maximum of 2 allies)
Each Communal contingent could come from a different city, which is why they are counted as separate.
Of course, if the Papal Italians do have two allied contingents (of any type), then each will only be 2 elements each, so this would sort of “reflect the 'casual attitude' certain Communal Cities had regarding their obligations”.
Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, including the latest FAQ and the Quick Reference Sheets from the Society of Ancients:-
fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
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Post by timurilank on Apr 27, 2017 5:11:45 GMT
I don’t think that it refers to the number of allied elements, but more like the number of allied contingents.
So the III/77 Papal Italian Army can have zero, 1 or 2 separate allied III/73a Communal Italian contingents in 1029-1150 AD.
Likewise, III/77 could also have zero, 1 or 2 separate allied III/73b Communal Italian contingents in 1151-1150 AD.
(As well as lots of other contingents from several other nations in varying combinations up to a maximum of 2 allies)
Each Communal contingent could come from a different city, which is why they are counted as separate.
Of course, if the Papal Italians do have two allied contingents (of any type), then each will only be 2 elements each, so this would sort of “reflect the 'casual attitude' certain Communal Cities had regarding their obligations”.
Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, including the latest FAQ and the Quick Reference Sheets from the Society of Ancients:-
fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
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Post by phippsy on Apr 27, 2017 18:02:10 GMT
Thanks both - interesting indeed and makes sense in that context. Peter
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