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Post by skepticalmutt on Mar 13, 2017 23:28:08 GMT
A friend of mine picked up III/55 Early Samurai, and I wanted to get a historical oppenent to game with him. After looking through the ones listed, I think III/62a look the most interesting, but I can't seem to find suitable miniatures in 15mm. Any suggestions from you folks would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by macbeth on Mar 14, 2017 3:40:00 GMT
Hi there The best range of figures for the Sung at Present is Khurusan Miniatures - khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/ - just be aware, he is a small operation and can shut down for a period while filling orders, during this time he doesn't take any new orders. The Sung Range is spectacular but it doesn't currently include any archers for the 3Bw Provincial Infantry - you could probably use some unarmoured Tang figures from the same range at a pinch. If you can get hold of the old Kennington Miniatures Yuan range their Chinese Crossbows, Cavalry and Axemen are also excellent for the Sung but alas I don't think they are made anymore, and whilst good, they are not as good as the Khurusan. Avoid the Essex, Irregular and Hall of Ancient Warriors Sung as these are based on the old John Greer WRG book "Armies and Enemies of Ancient China" - the figures would pass as Ming or as Yuan Mongol Civilians but otherwise don't look much like the soldiers they are meant to be. I am holding out the hope that Essex will redesign their Sung the way they have their Tang. Currently I have a Southern Sung mostly made up from Kennington minis and am also building up a Northern Sung with the same mix. When both of these are done - the operation to bring my 2.2 Sung up to 3.0 compliance then I will hit the Khurusan figures and build new armies. Sung are my very favourite DBA army and I wept tears of blood at the Nerfing that the DBA3 lists performed on them - but I persevered and took the Southern Sung to Cancon last January - I won 4 games from 6 with them and had taken 3 elements with me in my two losses. The trick is to set up a valley of death that the enemy has to walk into - the trick is, can you make most of the 4 kills by shooting before they get into contact. Cheers
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Post by skepticalmutt on Mar 14, 2017 5:30:55 GMT
Thank you so much for all of your advice! The friendly and knowledgeable community is half the reason I love this game.
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Post by Simon on Mar 14, 2017 8:05:22 GMT
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Post by martin on Mar 14, 2017 9:09:44 GMT
I think Colin the Hittite has some of these. He may be able to comment. IIRC, they're also based on the 'old' Greer book, the foot having wide-brimmed 'parson's hat' type headgear. M
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Post by colinthehittite on Mar 14, 2017 9:23:15 GMT
Martin is correct, many of the Naismith infantry types have the broad brimmed hat and the whole range is based on Greer.
Colin
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Post by paulhannah on Mar 14, 2017 20:16:55 GMT
As Martin and Colin have noted, the Naismith Sung are indeed based on the old WRG Greer book. My Sung Chinese are all Naismith. My renovation of the army to the "Purple" lists is in-progress. Here's a picture of two of the (un-flocked) 8Cb Imperial Infantry elements. Note the rank of bowmen placed behind the crossbowmen, as mentioned in the Commentary. Sure, the Greer book has its flaws, but it was (we thought) the best such source in its day. So, I think I get to invoke a grandfather clause here. (Grins.) There are still readily available (link). In fact, I bought a few packs just recently so I can complete my renovation. Nicely sculpted figures, and cleanly cast. My biggest quibble with the Naismith range is that the horses are quite large, more akin to modern thoroughbreds. I mounted my cavalry on smaller, Mikes Models steeds. But, sure, were I to start anew, I would surely buy those spectacular Khurasan Sung. And, hey, now there the V-3 lists offer TWO Sung Chinese armies (Northern and Southern), maybe someday I will buy them too!
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Post by skepticalmutt on Mar 14, 2017 21:50:20 GMT
Thank you everyone for all the great advice, and the pictures!
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Post by paulhannah on Apr 8, 2017 0:35:51 GMT
Thank you everyone for all the great advice, and the pictures! Just curious... Did you find a range of Sung Chinese you liked enough to buy?
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Post by skepticalmutt on Apr 19, 2017 22:08:40 GMT
Yea, I settled on the Khurasan. The others look just fine but those Khurasan look like incredibly clean and well detailed sculpts, definitely ones I would enjoy painting and gaming with. I'm just slowly setting cash aside to afford the $130 ish peicetag.
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Post by twrnz on Apr 20, 2017 0:23:56 GMT
Paul, I like your 11Cb stands. Some real bulk in these stands.
I hope you share photos when your basing and army are complete.
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Post by paulhannah on Sept 1, 2020 17:05:57 GMT
Paul, I like your 11Cb stands. Some real bulk in these stands. I hope you share photos when your basing and army are complete. Happy to oblige, "twrnz", albeit three years on. I just finished this major renovation of my III/62a Sung Chinese (15mm Naismith). The pavises are an "after market" add-on, and are simply cut out of styrene. Painting all the grumpy faces was a royal pain. And one last view...
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Sept 1, 2020 18:28:16 GMT
With ELEVEN figures on those stands they are super weak and they can be destroyed so easily by enemy arrows.
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Post by paulhannah on Sept 1, 2020 19:59:01 GMT
...they can be destroyed so easily by enemy arrows. I know, right! Maybe I should resolve only to let them fight Tribal Mongols and Tibetans. Oh, wait-- Scratch the Tibetans. They can magically transform into a Hoplite army. Okay, no Tibetans! (Grins.)
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Post by twrnz on Sept 1, 2020 20:44:04 GMT
Outstanding Paul, they look superb!
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