Tips on winning tactics with Ps and LH heavy armies.

1. Know the rules. Particularly about double or subsequent moves, group move in bad going, lack of overlap against psiloi, doubling up of light horse, multi move for light horse, combat factors near the edge of the board, vacuuming single elements into bad going by contact with a group in bad going, and combat outcomes against LH and psiloi.

2. Take the enemy camp......

3. Downside to getting the terrain is that you set up first. So, if you set up to dominate on one wing the enemy will plop a line of hard troops in front of you. Set up on the other wing and bam, there he is in front of you. Might want to set up in the center and maybe a little bit back so you can use your speed on turn one, don't roll a one on the first pip roll; to move out against one end of the enemy line. Set up back so that you don't get frozen in place by the first enemy move.

4. Don't commit suicide. If a situation arises where you have enough bad going to hide your entire army; don't feel compelled to come out and challenge superior troops in the open. Play for 'pip starvation', maneuver for a small advantage on a flank, or set up a 2 vs 3 with an automatic kill against a knight while your opponent becomes frustrated that he can't get to you. In other words, be mentally prepared for a long, time consuming game.

5. Large pieces of terrain can be great; but some terrain pieces are so big that you can only get one per sector. Might want half size terrain pieces so that you can get two down in a sector and not lose any. think of the terrain as safe islands and 'hop' your psiloi from one to the other.

6. Use any special army characteristics to your advantage. Example you gave, Lithuanians-they dismount as bow! That can be an annoying surprise.....Bow will outshoot aux or psiloi in bad going, although it can be nerve racking...

Mthrguth....bit of an auto- correct challenge on the last spelling...

Just on that with the reference to command distance. Under the PIP description last para on P8 of DBA3.0...command distance is 20BW if entirely LH. (Note full stop). Otherwise it is 8BW, but reduced to 4BW for troops entirely behind .....etc. does this mean that command distance is always 20BW for LH or is LH still subject to that 4BW restriction?

Fellas,

My son and I have been running Hun and Mongol armies for the past 12 months with limited success. In addition to all of the above, which we practice and/or heartily agree with, I would add the following.

First, when attacking swarm your opponent - don't just send 2 or 3 Lh, send 4 or 6, that way you can better cope with casualties, and fight in waves when units flee. There should always be yet another Lh lurking somewhere, or returning to the fray, that will concern or distract your opponent.

Second, don't hesitate to dance about the battlefield, especially 700mm x 700mm ones. Make the enemy chase you, stretch their command radius, stress their command PIPs. And when one or both fray or falter, turn and pick off the unit(s) that are isolated or out of basic commanded range.

Third, in combat roll high! The lack of a quick kill punch means that many combats are just push and shove. A 6:1 split is mighty handy if you can pull it off.

Evolving this topic - if you are in a supported combat as LH ie increasing your combat factor from 2 to 3, and a combat goes against you with a flee outcome, does this mean that the element in combat is destroyed, or does it flee through the supporting element or do both elements flee? Thanks Peter