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Post by Cromwell on Jan 24, 2020 8:36:12 GMT
I have recently purchased the board game "Crown of Thorns" by GMT. The game is about the War of the Roses. Lavishly produced with superb graphics and components. Steep learning curve though. However from opening the box to reading the rules I can see this as a fantastic vehicle for providing DBA battles in a campaign setting. Before looking into this I will get a couple of normal "Crown of Roses" games under my belt. If you are into War of the Roses well worth looking at this game. It can be checked out here boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/36480/crown-roses
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Post by jim1973 on Jan 24, 2020 8:52:39 GMT
How timely as I'm reading The Wars of the Roses by Hugh Bicheno at the moment!
Cheers
Jim
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Post by lkmjbc on Jan 24, 2020 17:47:15 GMT
Nice looking map. Keep us posted on your opinions...
Joe Collins
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Post by twrnz on Jan 27, 2020 4:53:50 GMT
I look forward to reading about the standard game as well as any conversion of battles to DBA.
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Post by jim1973 on Jan 27, 2020 8:39:48 GMT
I have recently purchased the board game "Crown of Thorns" by GMT. The game is about the War of the Roses. Lavishly produced with superb graphics and components. Steep learning curve though. However from opening the box to reading the rules I can see this as a fantastic vehicle for providing DBA battles in a campaign setting. Before looking into this I will get a couple of normal "Crown of Roses" games under my belt. If you are into War of the Roses well worth looking at this game. It can be checked out here boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/36480/crown-rosesCromwell, is there any way you can keep abreast of the offices, inheritances and hereditary titles that constantly change during this period and also avoid curling up in the corner as a blabbering mess? Jim
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Post by mthrguth on Jan 27, 2020 17:55:24 GMT
And a controversial opinion. I am DONE giving GMT money for games with rules that cannot be easily explained or remembered. I bought their low density game on the fall of France and Poland. A clueless mass of rules. Which ones will be important? Which rules will cost you the game? Any of them? 40 pages?
I rarely have time to play a game 10 or 12 times, at 4 hours a game, to learn the rules. I'd rather play DBA.
Want a WOR game that takes 15 minutes to pick up? How about, well, the old AH Kingmaker?
And why a new GMT game using blocks when Columbia games just put one out? Columbia games, easy to learn, but often horrifically unbalanced, even after 3 editions (Napoleon).
mike
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Post by markhinds on Jan 27, 2020 18:27:26 GMT
Your link takes me to a game entitled "Crown of Roses". I assume your OP contains a typo?
MH
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Post by Cromwell on Jan 27, 2020 20:31:21 GMT
Your link takes me to a game entitled "Crown of Roses". I assume your OP contains a typo? MH Sorry, my fingers, Crown of Roses is the game I meant.
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Post by Cromwell on Jan 27, 2020 20:35:03 GMT
I have recently purchased the board game "Crown of Thorns" by GMT. The game is about the War of the Roses. Lavishly produced with superb graphics and components. Steep learning curve though. However from opening the box to reading the rules I can see this as a fantastic vehicle for providing DBA battles in a campaign setting. Before looking into this I will get a couple of normal "Crown of Roses" games under my belt. If you are into War of the Roses well worth looking at this game. It can be checked out here boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/36480/crown-rosesCromwell, is there any way you can keep abreast of the offices, inheritances and hereditary titles that constantly change during this period and also avoid curling up in the corner as a blabbering mess? Jim Played once so far. Then re-read the rules. I use the supplied markers for offices and place them on the corresponding Noble on the Role of Parliament chart. Thenheirs are numbered in order of sequence but there is alot to learn.
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Post by Cromwell on Jan 27, 2020 20:41:55 GMT
And a controversial opinion. I am DONE giving GMT money for games with rules that cannot be easily explained or remembered. I bought their low density game on the fall of France and Poland. A clueless mass of rules. Which ones will be important? Which rules will cost you the game? Any of them? 40 pages? I rarely have time to play a game 10 or 12 times, at 4 hours a game, to learn the rules. I'd rather play DBA. Want a WOR game that takes 15 minutes to pick up? How about, well, the old AH Kingmaker? And why a new GMT game using blocks when Columbia games just put one out? Columbia games, easy to learn, but often horrifically unbalanced, even after 3 editions (Napoleon). mike Too be honest I agree to a degree. I have never paid full price for a GMT game, usually pick them up second hand or on offers. The rules can be convoluted but now being semi retired I have a bit more time to study them and lucky enough to have a study where I can leave games set up.
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Post by jim1973 on Jan 27, 2020 22:10:33 GMT
Cromwell, is there any way you can keep abreast of the offices, inheritances and hereditary titles that constantly change during this period and also avoid curling up in the corner as a blabbering mess? Jim Played once so far. Then re-read the rules. I use the supplied markers for offices and place them on the corresponding Noble on the Role of Parliament chart. Thenheirs are numbered in order of sequence but there is alot to learn. Sorry, I should've been clearer. I was meaning the actual history of the Wars of the Roses, not the game. Reading about it is giving me a headache! Cheers Jim
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Post by Cromwell on Jan 27, 2020 22:50:40 GMT
Played once so far. Then re-read the rules. I use the supplied markers for offices and place them on the corresponding Noble on the Role of Parliament chart. Thenheirs are numbered in order of sequence but there is alot to learn. Sorry, I should've been clearer. I was meaning the actual history of the Wars of the Roses, not the game. Reading about it is giving me a headache! Cheers Jim I think you will find those Nobles actually fighting the War of The Roses had a headache from it all, in fact most of them lost their heads. 17th century English history was my period of study but I am now getting studying the WoR. A good book is "The War of the Roses" by Desmond Seward. He follows the stories of five characters from the wars. William Hastings Earl of Oxford Margret Beaufort Dr John Morton Jane Shaw Through them he manages to explain the wars and who was who very well.
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