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Post by j on Oct 20, 2019 13:12:33 GMT
Just finishing my first Edifice & hoping to use it in next game. Just wanted to check I have the placement rules right.
If I want to use the Edifice as a Camp, it must obey the placement rules of BOTH a Camp & a BUA?
That is, "...within 6BW of each of 2 battlefield edges" (as a BUA) AND "...on the rear edge of the side's deployment area" (as a Camp)
Also, must it comply with the size restrictions for a Camp i.e. "...at least 1BW x 1 1/2BW and fit into a rectangle the length plus width of which totals no more than 4 BW (so a 2BW x 2BW square would be right)?
Further, it is not treated as Bad Going unless it is sacked when it reverts to BG?
Regards,
j
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Post by Simon on Oct 20, 2019 14:08:00 GMT
It is just city/Fort that needs to be entirely within 6BW of two edges.
If edifice is used as a camp it must comply with the camp size limits. It does become bad going when sacked as a camp.
Cheers
Simon
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Post by stevie on Oct 20, 2019 14:12:08 GMT
Well, here is what the rules say. The first two sentences on page 7 say:- “if a BUA is chosen, it must be a city, fort, hamlet or edifice and will belong to the defender. These are placed like other area features, except that all of a city or fort must be within 6 BW of each of 2 battlefield edges and can be on a hill (which is only decorative).“ So only cities and forts must be entirely within 6 BW of table edges, not hamlets or edifices. (And I’m told that the “belong to the defender” has no meaning, so an invader can deploy
directly into a hamlet or edifice that is within their deployment zone)Note however page 6, paragraph 4, last sentence:- “There must be a gap of at least 1 BW between area features, and between an area feature (other than a BUA) and any battlefield edge.” So an edifice (which is a type of BUA) can touch a table edge, but must still be at least 1 BW away from other Area Terrain Features. And you’re right about the Edifice Camp size, it’s placement touching a table edge, and if sacked. (But see fanaticus.boards.net/post/22836/ )Some Helpful Downloads can be found here: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And here is the latest Jan 2019 FAQ: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ_2019_1st_Quarter
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Post by martin on Oct 21, 2019 7:20:02 GMT
Just finishing my first Edifice & hoping to use it in next game. Just wanted to check I have the placement rules right. If I want to use the Edifice as a Camp, it must obey the placement rules of BOTH a Camp & a BUA? That is, "...within 6BW of each of 2 battlefield edges" (as a BUA) AND "...on the rear edge of the side's deployment area" (as a Camp) Also, must it comply with the size restrictions for a Camp i.e. "...at least 1BW x 1 1/2BW and fit into a rectangle the length plus width of which totals no more than 4 BW (so a 2BW x 2BW square would be right)? Further, it is not treated as Bad Going unless it is sacked when it reverts to BG? Regards, j Only thought I have on this, is that it SOUNDS like you’re hoping to take an edifice and place it at the time that you place your camp. As far as I know, an edifice when chosen has to be placed as normal when BUAs are placed i.e. during the terrain placement phase...This means the only time I think you can use edifice as camp is 1) if the edifice ends up on your baseline (or appropriate legal position for a camp) and 2) it’s the correct size to be used as such. I don’t think you can just take an edifice and say “this is my camp” and place it at the camp placing stage. *** I have a strong suspicion that the ‘edifice as camp’ scenario was an afterthought, as Phil Barker didn’t like people using large masonry structures as mobile camps. To permit them to be used (to satisfy avid modellers like many of us) the edifice being transformed into a camp was ‘allowed’ but there were gaps in the rules and we don’t know exactly what was intended. *** What most people do is to use a camp which looks like an edifice but acts like a normal camp. So I have an Egyptian temple which is used as a camp, other people use Greek temples for example. In theory they supposed to be mobile baggage type items, but nobody is ever seems to object. |
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Post by bob on Oct 21, 2019 17:25:02 GMT
Ditto to Martin's comments, especially about Phil's motive. He has certain idiosyncrasies about the game, not impacting on the game playing. For example not wanting players to change dice or wanting them to use dice with pips and calling a singe cube thing a "dice" instead of a die. He does not like players to use permanent structures as camps but knows many players have these. So he added the Edifice. Players can use these as BUAs. Thanks to Sue who got him to loosen up about the BUA being only a city as in Edition 2. Players can use the Edifice as a BUA. However, giving in a little to those who want them for a camp, he allowed this to happen, if the Edifice met the qualifications of a camp, in terms of placement and size. There has arisen among players the practice of using a permanent structure as a camp anyway. Does it matter for the playing of the game? However, do not call this permanent structure being used as a camp an Edifice. It is something that could be used as an Edifice in the game sense but unless placed as a BUA, and then claimed as a Camp, it is not an Edifice which is a piece of Bad Going.
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