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Post by j on Aug 18, 2019 14:18:00 GMT
On the subject of Warband 2nd ranks, I'm sure I read somewhere that my fast 3WB could give rear support to my solid 4Wb & vice versa (can’t find it anywhere now, of course) but re-reading the rules p13 says rear support factors “apply when elements have a friendly element of the same type lined-up directly behind them…” so am I right in thinking that, as different troop types, one solid the other fast, they are different types so cannot mutually support?
Regards,
j
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Post by nangwaya on Aug 18, 2019 14:36:37 GMT
On the subject of Warband 2nd ranks, I'm sure I read somewhere that my fast 3WB could give rear support to my solid 4Wb & vice versa (can’t find it anywhere now, of course) but re-reading the rules p13 says rear support factors “apply when elements have a friendly element of the same type lined-up directly behind them…” so am I right in thinking that, as different troop types, one solid the other fast, they are different types so cannot mutually support? Regards, j Hi j;
Yes, they can support.
See this thread for more info.
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Post by bob on Aug 20, 2019 4:47:13 GMT
Just to bring this back to the actual rules, here is the statement that defines what’s included in a ‘type’
“Mounted troop types are: Elephants, Knights, Cavalry, Light Horse, Scythed Chariots or Camelry.
Foot troop types are: Spears, Pikes, Blades, Auxilia, Bows, Psiloi, Warband, Hordes, Artillery or War Wagons.” P. 3
16 types. War band is a type. It’s divided into two categories fast and solid. But since both fast and solid are the same “type”, they support each other either front and back.
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Post by vtsaogames on Aug 22, 2019 11:12:40 GMT
Good point, Bob.
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Post by bob on Aug 22, 2019 19:27:37 GMT
One further quote,
"Where more than one basing option exists, this usually differentiates troops of the same type who fought slightly differently, such as those classed as “Fast” or “Solid” and/or those who used unusually deep formations. "
The "fast" and "solid" terms refer to CLASSES within the type.
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Post by paddy649 on Aug 22, 2019 19:46:55 GMT
Bob - can you mix basing options within a single army? For example you can base War Wagons on 40 x 40 bases or 40 x 80 bases. But in a single army can I have some of each basing option putting the 40 x 40 bases in the line and the 40 x 80 ones on the flanks?
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Post by bob on Aug 23, 2019 19:29:18 GMT
That’s a very good question because it goes beyond war wagons. Can one have some solid blades on 15mm deep bases and some on 20mm deep? Your reading of the rules is as good as mine on this issue.:-)
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Post by paddy649 on Aug 23, 2019 19:40:08 GMT
That’s a very good question because it goes beyond war wagons. Can one have some solid blades on 15mm deep bases and some on 20mm deep? Your reading of the rules is as good as mine on this issue.:-) Thanks Bob - I love an honest answer. I want to say no you can’t mix base sizes with every sinew in my body as to do otherwise seems so “gamey” but can’t find anything I the RAW that says this - so it must be OK! |
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Post by vtsaogames on Aug 24, 2019 15:30:48 GMT
The rules say heavy infantry in smaller scale can go on bases 15 or 20mm deep. That seems to indicate they can be that way in the same army. Well before 3.0 I gave up on 15mm deep bases because they don't stand on my hills. I like my sculpted hills better than the slab type.
In my case it really doesn't matter because I don't play tournaments.
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Post by menacussecundus on Aug 24, 2019 21:01:37 GMT
Actually the rules say heavy infantry can be on bases 15-20mm deep, i.e. between 15 and 20mm. The rules also say that players should keep as closely as possible to the minimum depth, so 16mm, 17mm and 18mm base depths would all be permissible. (Not that anyone ever does, of course.)
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Post by paddy649 on Aug 26, 2019 8:42:10 GMT
Actually the rules say heavy infantry can be on bases 15-20mm deep, i.e. between 15 and 20mm. The rules also say that players should keep as closely as possible to the minimum depth, so 16mm, 17mm and 18mm base depths would all be permissible. (Not that anyone ever does, of course.) Yes - I can see that 15mm-20mm allows all those options. It also allows all “frogs hair” options in between and “in extremis” would actually allow an army of 12 Sp elements to all have a slightly different base depths. What joy that would be in a game. The “should be kept as closely as possible to the minimum” is an interesting clause - is it a rule? Does it imply that “sabot” basing to standardise heavy infantry base sizes to 20mm would be ruled out but that the indentical army with heavy infantry on “normal” 20mm bases would be permitted? |
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Post by medievalthomas on Aug 26, 2019 21:58:51 GMT
Its very good practice to have a standard basing convention (and figure count convention for that matter) within a single army to help your opponent to recognize which troops are which and you to remember which are which.
I'm strongly in favor of Fast being shown by deeper bases (I use 20mm for standard troops and 30mm depth for Fast Foot in 25mm).
TomT
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