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Post by pawsbill on Dec 2, 2018 15:59:00 GMT
I've updated the list of SOA UK DBA League tournaments for 2018-19 with the dates I know of for 2019 tournaments.
portsmouthwargames.wordpress.com/society-of-ancients-uk-dba-league/league-tournaments/
I've also provisionally included tournaments (without dates) matching others run in 2018.
Could people look at this and let me know of any necessary amendments, additions or if any of the provisional tournaments I have included will not be run this year, please?
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Post by Simon on Dec 2, 2018 19:06:34 GMT
Thanks Bill. I intend to run the same in 2019 as in 2018 with the addition of Bakewerll Winter Warmer on 9 Feb. I will confirm the dates for Midland Open in June, Britcon in August and Matched pairs in October in the New Year.
Simon
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Post by martin on Dec 2, 2018 19:16:31 GMT
Alton date checks OK. Thanks Bill.
I notice you’ve also put the final scores for the 2017-2018 UK DBA League on the website. Brill👍👍
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Post by pawsbill on Dec 2, 2018 21:13:44 GMT
Thanks Bill. I intend to run the same in 2019 as in 2018 with the addition of Bakewerll Winter Warmer on 9 Feb. I will confirm the dates for Midland Open in June, Britcon in August and Matched pairs in October in the New Year. Simon Thanks Simon, I've added those months in as TBC.
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Post by sheffmark on Dec 29, 2018 11:25:54 GMT
I've updated the list of SOA UK DBA League tournaments for 2018-19 with the dates I know of for 2019 tournaments.
portsmouthwargames.wordpress.com/society-of-ancients-uk-dba-league/league-tournaments/
I've also provisionally included tournaments (without dates) matching others run in 2018.
Could people look at this and let me know of any necessary amendments, additions or if any of the provisional tournaments I have included will not be run this year, please? Hi Bill Thanks for this. Can you explain how it's decided which tournaments are classed as 'Premier' ones and as such score more points? I presume it's not just numbers attending as this accounted for already. Cheers
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Post by martin on Dec 29, 2018 13:46:51 GMT
....also, might there possibly be a case for EITHER re-instating the Midland Open to Premier status, which it enjoyed prior to being discontinued at Alvechurch OR dropping the ‘Premier’ status for certain tournaments altogether? A well attended tournament is a well attended tournament, regardless whether it fills a certain slot or not.
Just a thought...
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Post by Simon on Dec 30, 2018 9:10:01 GMT
....also, might there possibly be a case for EITHER re-instating the Midland Open to Premier status, which it enjoyed prior to being discontinued at Alvechurch OR dropping the ‘Premier’ status for certain tournaments altogether? A well attended tournament is a well attended tournament, regardless whether it fills a certain slot or not. Just a thought... Ummmm - not sure about relegating the Bakewell events from their current Inter-Galactic Mega league status to a mere UK Premier League!! Simon
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Post by pawsbill on Dec 31, 2018 15:11:46 GMT
Hi Bill Thanks for this. Can you explain how it's decided which tournaments are classed as 'Premier' ones and as such score more points? I presume it's not just numbers attending as this accounted for already. Cheers When Phil Steele, Adrian Webb & I started the league in 2010, the Premier tournaments were the main, long established tournaments in different regions. All the other tournaments at the time were in Hampshire or Sussex. The idea was that the premier tournaments would inspire attendees in the regions to set up new DBA tournaments in the same regions.
Midland Open got dropped when Alvechurch stopped running it. There was no Midland Open in 2014. The revised Midland Open was probably going to regain it's status when Martin gave way to Simon running it.
Ideally, to be classified as a Premier Tournament, it should be established, the main tournament in a region (or one of the main if there are a lot in one area), not have a narrow themed list of armies that can be used (i.e. an open list tournament) or something like the Northern Cup where the organisers provide all the armies. And in a perfect world, two premier tournaments should not be closely scheduled. I did consider including the Alton Matched Pairs as a Premier but it was always scheduled too close to other Premier tournaments.
As long as Midland Open in Bakewell remains an un-themed Tournament (and Simon doesn't genuinely object), it probably could be promoted to a Premier tournament again.
Bill
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Post by Baldie on Dec 31, 2018 16:02:30 GMT
If Premier Tourney means delicious snacks in flapjack and brownie form then Bakewell has it.
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Post by Simon on Dec 31, 2018 16:43:28 GMT
No problem at all with the Bakewell Midland Open being designated a Premier tournament but interested to know what difference it makes?
Simon
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Post by martin on Dec 31, 2018 17:09:57 GMT
Just has an effect on the scores Bill applies to the players once ranked- See portsmouthwargames.wordpress.com/society-of-ancients-uk-dba-league/Basically, all tournaments are split into ‘more than 12 players’ and ‘12 players or less’ . Then the ranks achieved in the event get points towards the League. Additionally, a Premier event can allocate a few points more per player. A lower attended Premier event (12 players or less) would give the same scores for eg 1st, 2nd, 3rd place as a higher attended non-Premier event (13+ players). It’s a clever system.
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Post by paulisper on Dec 31, 2018 17:37:36 GMT
As long as Midland Open in Bakewell remains an un-themed Tournament (and Simon doesn't genuinely object), it probably could be promoted to a Premier tournament again.
Bill
I would support the Midlands Open being re-assigned as a Premier tournament - that would then give each 'active region' (Wales, North, Midlands and South East) one each and achieve a nice balance to the concept. P.
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Post by Simon on Dec 31, 2018 18:07:06 GMT
Just has an effect on the scores Bill applies to the players once ranked- See portsmouthwargames.wordpress.com/society-of-ancients-uk-dba-league/Basically, all tournaments are split into ‘more than 12 players’ and ‘12 players or less’ . Then the ranks achieved in the event get points towards the League. Additionally, a Premier event can allocate a few points more per player. A lower attended Premier event (12 players or less) would give the same scores for eg 1st, 2nd, 3rd place as a higher attended non-Premier event (13+ players). It’s a clever system. Thanks , I am probably being a post-festivities dullard but not quite sure why being first of 27 people in a non-Premier tournament gets you less points than coming first of 13 in a Premier one. I think your earlier question of whether we need a Premier status at all is worth at least considering. Regards, Simon
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Post by hadrian on Jan 2, 2019 16:08:03 GMT
Just has an effect on the scores Bill applies to the players once ranked- See portsmouthwargames.wordpress.com/society-of-ancients-uk-dba-league/Basically, all tournaments are split into ‘more than 12 players’ and ‘12 players or less’ . Then the ranks achieved in the event get points towards the League. Additionally, a Premier event can allocate a few points more per player. A lower attended Premier event (12 players or less) would give the same scores for eg 1st, 2nd, 3rd place as a higher attended non-Premier event (13+ players). It’s a clever system. Thanks , I am probably being a post-festivities dullard but not quite sure why being first of 27 people in a non-Premier tournament gets you less points than coming first of 13 in a Premier one. I think your earlier question of whether we need a Premier status at all is worth at least considering. Regards, Simon I think that the proliferation of and attendance at DBA competitions has significantly changed since the system was first established (I think there were only 8 annual event at the start). Whilst not DBA active these days (although that may change on second retirement) I would nevertheless suggest that keeping "Premier" status for whatever are defined as "key" events is a good thing. First of 27 in a non-Premier event will not gain you less points than being first in a smaller Premier event, at worst it will get you the same points.
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Post by attilathenun on Jan 3, 2019 11:11:14 GMT
First of 27 in a non-Premier event will not gain you less points than being first in a smaller Premier event, at worst it will get you the same points.
First of 27 in a non-premier event nets the player 20 points in the league. First of 13 in a premier event nets that same player 25 points. It does seem this needs revision, given that tournament attendance distribution is changing.
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