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Post by Commiades on Oct 10, 2018 3:09:25 GMT
I'm looking to morph my Syrian army into a Saminid one. I can find most of the figures, but I'm wondering about the Khorasanian Horse Archers. Ian Heath's Armies of the Dark Ages has a picture of one on p. 108. It looks a lot like the Sogdian horse archer on p. 102, which is to be expected.
I'm using Khurasan figures for my Syrian foot, and would use Khurasan figures for the Samanid foot too. I've used Legio Heroica for the Syrian cavalry. I could get a Khurasan figure (their KM-1P), but I'm not sure if their cavalry scale well with the Legio Heroica ones (the packs are also bigger, which is a pain). I thought maybe later Sassanid figures would work, but the Legio Heroica ones seem quite early, and with beards. Does anyone know of a manufacturer of Sogdian figures for the Central-Asian City States army (III/80)? Or other manufacturers of Khorasanian archers?
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Oct 10, 2018 14:56:04 GMT
I'm looking to morph my Syrian army into a Saminid one. I can find most of the figures, but I'm wondering about the Khorasanian Horse Archers. Ian Heath's Armies of the Dark Ages has a picture of one on p. 108. It looks a lot like the Sogdian horse archer on p. 102, which is to be expected. I'm using Khurasan figures for my Syrian foot, and would use Khurasan figures for the Samanid foot too. I've used Legio Heroica for the Syrian cavalry. I could get a Khurasan figure (their KM-1P), but I'm not sure if their cavalry scale well with the Legio Heroica ones (the packs are also bigger, which is a pain). I thought maybe later Sassanid figures would work, but the Legio Heroica ones seem quite early, and with beards. Does anyone know of a manufacturer of Sogdian figures for the Central-Asian City States army (III/80)? Or other manufacturers of Khorasanian archers? Outpost Wargame Services make a Central Asian Turks range: www.outpostwargameservices.co.uk/ |
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Post by Commiades on Oct 10, 2018 20:25:51 GMT
Thanks, but those are for the list III/11 Central Asian Turkish. Aren't they different from III/8 Central Asian City States? |
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Oct 10, 2018 20:38:32 GMT
Thanks, but those are for the list III/11 Central Asian Turkish. Aren't they different from III/8 Central Asian City States? That is probably as close as you are going to get. That is a real obscure area that is not very popular for figure manufacturers. Those are the figure I would start with for sure. |
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Post by goragrad on Oct 12, 2018 7:36:38 GMT
ARC8 from Alternative Armies Isarus (Table Top Games) line is their version of the Khoransanian horse archer - www.alternative-armies.com/collections/15mm-dark-age-and-ancients-isarus-range/products/arc8-arab-khorasanian-archerA bit shaggier than the Heath illustration. Rather doubt that the TTG figure would do well against Khurasan sizewise though. As to our other discussion on Crusaders, the 5HD are for the BBDBA where there would be 3. As to the behavior of the Crusaders, much bad press in recent years and for the time they were far fro the worst in any case. And turcopoles were at least in the beginning converts from Islam in spite of the death penalty for apostasy - Crusader behavior apparently didn't put them off. P.S. The TTG lines are also carried by Battleline in NZ (no picture so used Alternative's). |
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Post by Commiades on Oct 12, 2018 9:48:40 GMT
Thanks, yes, they are small horses in that range; perhaps for LH not too bad. It's perhaps a bit tangential, but the area were the Muslim world and the Western Christians had the most productive interaction was not the Crusader states, but Sicily, and to a less extent the Iberian peninsula. It was there that much of Aristotle was translated from Arabic to Latin, for example. Apostasy was not the big issue back then that it has become once the economic and political power of the Islamic world declined and they started to have to cope with Western colonial influence. The world-view of both sides wasn't worlds apart. I particularly like the way the author of the Gesta Francorum said that Franks and Turks are both descended from Trojans. They both shared a suspicion of the more civilised Byzantines and Arabs. |
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Post by Les1964 on Oct 12, 2018 11:37:42 GMT
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Post by Commiades on Oct 12, 2018 17:41:23 GMT
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Post by Haardrada on Oct 12, 2018 18:07:17 GMT
I feel your pain as I have been looking for Syrian looking LH suitable for the Guzz in the Islamic Berber army....However, you may have a solution within the Khurasan ranges if you check out the Parthian,Kushan and Turkoman light horse you could find figures that fit what you want?
The notes under the picture (107) in Armies of the dark ages do suggest that such archers in Buyid,Saffarid,Sammanid and Ghaznavid armies all looked simular.
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Post by Commiades on Oct 13, 2018 1:47:49 GMT
I feel your pain as I have been looking for Syrian looking LH suitable for the Guzz in the Islamic Berber army....However, you may have a solution within the Khurasan ranges if you check out the Parthian,Kushan and Turkoman light horse you could find figures that fit what you want? I could use the Junior Ghilmen figures in the Khurasan range too. It's just the large figure packs that bug me. I could get a few other figures from Essex too, so it's an attractive option. |
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Post by Commiades on Oct 13, 2018 4:03:53 GMT
This figure was the impetus to put in an order to Essex to allow me to morph my Syrians to Samanids and even Ghaznavids with a Rajput ally (once I get some foot from Khurasan). I'm also aiming to morph my Normans into early Communal Italians. Their small packet mail rate is very attractive. |
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