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Post by bluestone28 on Jul 30, 2018 12:34:07 GMT
Hi, i didn't find source for that begining pediod of -1000 for the Phoenicians and Italians Hill tribes and others... and also -700 one for Sardes people of Sardinia... as -700 is in the middle of Nuragic III period for them, Phoenicians arrived to Sardinia around -900 and the first Carthage attack seem to be around -545... it's a complex period, so far away that things are blurred between different peoples and armies, (for example, there is a theory about Sea peoples Sherdens and Sardes who could be the same people, at least around -1200) so it's not easy to understand sometimes the chosen dates for armies in DBA..  so if someone have some other info... (ok it's a bit "technical" but i think that is the beauty of DBA wargame (ok not only DBA) , it begin with game and finally it's History! ) Eric |
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Post by davidjconstable on Jul 30, 2018 13:56:00 GMT
Exact dates are always going to be a problem, in your examples probably within 100 years will do, and hopefully the correct people or an off-shoot.
When MacArthur arrived back in the Philippines you will find several dates based on eyewitness accounts of his initial landing, but some are wrong because the entourage he took with him on each occasion made it look like his first landing. And that is less than 80 years ago.
Hoping to get history correct is a matter of luck, we cannot get WW2 correct, you still see film and pictures that are not what they are supposed to be.
David Constable
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Post by bluestone28 on Jul 30, 2018 21:48:41 GMT
yes i understand the blurried history and difficulties to date things without writing and proofs, i just wanted to know how -1000 for Phoenicians (and also Villanovan Italian, Later Hebrew, Italian Hill Tribes) and -700 for Sards people was chosen (and why not -1000 too if the date is not exactly known), most of the time DBA dates are logical, so maybe (surely! ) i have missed something... also i try to make a link between Sardinia Sards and Sea peoples Sherdens, as there is about 500 years hole between them... Thx, Eric |
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Post by stevie on Jul 31, 2018 0:09:07 GMT
A very thought-provoking subject Eric. The start and end dates of illiterate pre-history cultures in DBA is a very difficult subject. I can only assume that Phil Barker has access to more scholarly works I myself have (along with perhaps a little bit of guesswork ). For Sardinia, their main culture is what archaeologists call ‘the Nuragic Civilization’, so called because of the several thousand cone shaped stone built structures called ‘nuraghe’ that still dot the island (see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuraghe ). This culture existed from about 1900 BC to 730 BC (at least according to “The Nuragic People” by A. Delalmas and R. T. Melis). Perhaps the date chosen for the start of the I/36b Sardinians comes from this or other papers. As for the 500 year gap, interestingly, the DBA I/14b European Bronze Age Army ends in 701 BC. And the link between the Sherden Sea Peoples and the early Sardinians is not universally accepted. Personally, I’d have 8 x bases of 3 Sea People type figures (with horned helmets), then they could be:- I/14b 3Ax Bronze Age ‘Nuragic’ Sardinians (1400-701 BC) ----> I/36b 3Ax 'post Nuragic' Iron Age Sardinians (700-124 BC)... ...as well as representing the I/28 3Bd Sea Peoples (1208-1176 BC) as mixed fierce overseas adventurers. Some potentially useful player aids can be found here, such as the “Quick Reference Sheets” from the Society of Ancients,
and the new “Army List Corrections” file: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Reference_sheets_and_epitomes
And this is the latest January 2018 FAQ: fanaticus-dba.wikia.com/wiki/FAQ_2018
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Post by bluestone28 on Jul 31, 2018 7:13:14 GMT
thanks Stevie! (i know you'll react sooner or later on that! ) my main source was wikipedia and about Nuragic Civilization, it seem that Nuragic periods is from around -1800 to Roman Period (-250), but it's Historians Battle! but yes, i think you're right, I/14b European Bronze Age Army, with Sherdans look could be a good solution! so i have to add some Sherdans to my paint project! (already have some for Sea people Army), ok, this summer, i'll have the chance to take a look of that on the real site, maybe i could find some more information directly in Sardinia Museums! (no, there is not only sun and beach in the life! ) thanks! Eric |
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