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Post by lkmjbc on Jun 11, 2018 20:48:21 GMT
I take the opposite stance using one die that goes with the color/theme of the army I am using. As of late, I have used ONE dice "the dreaded black die" in all our playing and videos as it has developed a personality of it's own. Tony is a slave to fashion! He only uses color-coordinated dice purchased from high end Italian dice clothiers! Joe Collins |
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Post by martin on Jun 11, 2018 21:19:17 GMT
Actually, as tournament organiser, I have granted Martin a d10 license so that throws of 6 - 0 count as sixes. Of course, the license fee was £500. Anyone for a d20 license? Simon Yep, can you check the BACS transfer went through ok, please? Otherwise, I can pay on the day with Krugerrands, your usual coin of choice......? See you there. M |
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Post by bob on Jun 11, 2018 22:33:03 GMT
This notion of using only one dice (die) is an idiosyncrasy of Phil’s. We tried to get him to change it and he at least added the idea of changing with permission of the opponent as a concession. Previous editions include a “Rule “ that you can’t put a figure back once you’ve moved it. He modified that to allow you to do it if you can mark the original position. I personally don’t care if my opponent uses a different die for every throw that he makes. Assuming he’s brought along a bucketful :-)
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Post by macbeth on Jun 13, 2018 6:20:10 GMT
Tony, Didn't you have a spate of using unbiased Casino dice...and then still rolled a bucket load of 6s! Paddy It is because I live the right kind of life.  The problem with unbiased casino dice is that they are designed to be rolled the length of a craps table - they are large and lack bevelled sides which make them ideal for "dice dropping", a smart "dropper" quickly figures out in their head the number that they need to roll for the win and hold the dice in their hand with the opposite face up (ie you need a 5 so you hold the dice with the 2 facing up) and with a simple wrist flick the dice comes down on the required number. We had one "usual suspect" who might or might not have been doing that back in the day. Cheers |
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Post by felixs on Jun 13, 2018 6:34:08 GMT
Because all dice have the same probability. In theory that should be so, in practice, most dice are off by a noticeable percentage. This has to due with production tolerance, with the relative weight of the different sides of a dice due to the pip holes etc. With most dice this does not really matter. But with some it gets really noticeable. So even without intentional cheating, it is possible that the dice used roll very much in favour of their player on a statistically relevant level.
In our games, we sometimes change dice mid-game if rolls seem to be off. But that is more a psychological thing.
What I would dislike is if an opponent uses different dice depending on whether he wants to roll high or low.
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Post by mattadami on Jun 13, 2018 9:23:08 GMT
Because all dice have the same probability. In theory that should be so, in practice, most dice are off by a noticeable percentage. This has to due with production tolerance, with the relative weight of the different sides of a dice due to the pip holes etc. With most dice this does not really matter. But with some it gets really noticeable. So even without intentional cheating, it is possible that the dice used roll very much in favour of their player on a statistically relevant level.
In our games, we sometimes change dice mid-game if rolls seem to be off. But that is more a psychological thing.
What I would dislike is if an opponent uses different dice depending on whether he wants to roll high or low.
It truly is a more psychological thing, but then again I do have a die that rolls extremely well, and that could be do to the fact it has a symbol on the six instead of pips. Also on a separate note about that die, my greatest fear is that someone will accuse me of using a loaded die, because it just rolls awesome. |
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Post by paddy649 on Jun 14, 2018 10:04:55 GMT
Tony, Didn't you have a spate of using unbiased Casino dice...and then still rolled a bucket load of 6s! Paddy It is because I live the right kind of life. I can see the T-shirts now: “God loves me 😇 Therefore I roll no 1s 🎲” |
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Post by Simon on Jun 14, 2018 11:32:05 GMT
I have occasionally used a dice app on the mobile - though not for competitions. Doesn't have the same feel but may be more genuinely random.
Simon
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Jun 14, 2018 12:04:12 GMT
It is truly surprising how many people are "spooked" by dice. I love to feed that fire. BTW I'm a big fan of NOT switching dice. If the die supposedly starts to roll poorly and wants to take the rest of the game off, I show it who is the boss and keep using it.  |
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Post by primuspilus on Jun 14, 2018 13:08:40 GMT
Tony, you roll dice like a BOSS, bro'!
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Post by Tony Aguilar on Jun 14, 2018 13:30:38 GMT
Tony, you roll dice like a BOSS, bro'! Not always, but I don't let it get to me and try and hedge as much as I can.  Remember it is not necessarily what you roll, but the comparison with what your opponent rolls as well. Also, it depends on whether it is a PIP roll or a combat roll too. |
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Post by bob on Jun 15, 2018 0:21:29 GMT
Don't forget Phil's other idiosyncrasy "Dice with spots are more easily read across the table by an opponent than those with numbers." I wonder what he thought of Sue letting Marcus use a dice (die) with Roman numerals? Further on Matt's original comment. He wrote "But, I have spoken with people who say the purple book says you play with 1 die, so you can only ever have 1 die." The Purple Book does not say that. It says, "Each player uses a single ordinary 1 to 6 dice, which should be used for the whole game for all purposes, unless changed at the request of the opponent." That is not an command statement such as "Each player must/should/has to/ use a single . . . " It is more of a description of some ideal situation that Phil has in his mind as to how the game should proceed. It also uses the term "dice" not "die". Moreover, on the subject of Dice-Die, is Phil even correct. He calls a single cube with numbers a "dice" when we all know the single cube is a die. Just check Grammar Girl www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/why-the-plural-of-“die”-is-“dice”-not-“douse”. All in all, the only thing that matters is that each player uses only six sided cubes with numbers or spots from 1 to 6 (I to VI) , and only one at a time  Oh, yes, and by the way, what happens if a player rolls off the table, and that original six sided cube cannot be found, does he forfeit the game? |
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Post by wjhupp on Jun 15, 2018 0:47:13 GMT
Macbeth, you are right, the casino dice don't roll. I was surprised to find videos on you tube about dice dropping and the things done to prevent cheating with dice.
Running games with kids, I have found dice cups (they make sure you can't drop it and it gets a good shake) and dice towers are very effective. Just normal nervousness can make dice rolls less than what they need to be to get a true random result.
DBA suffers more than most games as the extremes plays such an important role in the game results.
Bill
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Post by nangwaya on Jun 15, 2018 1:50:57 GMT
Running games with kids, I have found dice cups (they make sure you can't drop it and it gets a good shake) and dice towers are very effective. Just normal nervousness can make dice rolls less than what they need to be to get a true random result. Bill Playing games with adults too, I find dice cups or towers a great way of keeping dice falling off the table (nod to you bob), and not knocking over any elements or terrain around, and also getting rid of anyone doing "funny" scrambling in their hand.
But in the long run, if someone is trying to give them an advantage from cheating in die rolling, my goodness.
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Post by nangwaya on Jun 23, 2018 16:25:30 GMT
I took the two dice that I normally play with, and rolled each one a hundred times both with a dice tower and a dice cup. Die #1
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| Die #2
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| 1's
| 16
| 14
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| 1's
| 13
| 16
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| 2's
| 20 | 18
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| 2's
| 19
| 18
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| 3's
| 17
| 14
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| 3's
| 14
| 16
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| 4's
| 20
| 16
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| 4's
| 20
| 20
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| 5's
| 18
| 21
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| 5's
| 15
| 16
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| 6's
| 9
| 17
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| 6;s
| 19
| 14
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| Standard Deviation
| 4.1
| 2.7
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| Standard Deviation
| 3.0
| 2.1
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Right off the bat, I can see that using the dice cup provides more randomness, which I expected, as the dice tower is more mechanical, as the slats in the tower are always in the same position and distance, whereas with the dice cup, the die gets jumbled around quite a bit. I guess I could jumble up the die in my hand before letting it drop in the tower, but I think I will stick with using the cup. Now I need to find a new die to replace die #1, that will have a closer standard deviation to die #2. This make sense? |
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