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Camps
Jul 24, 2016 9:23:14 GMT
Post by BrianNZ on Jul 24, 2016 9:23:14 GMT
The DBAv3 rules state " It must be in GOOD GOING (except plough ) on the rear edge of its sides deployment area or on a waterway or beach, and etc "
Question 1, Does the Deployment Area include the 2 BW - 4 BW section of the Rear Edge which the Rules state " Cavalry, Light Horse, Camelry, Mounted Infantry and Auxilia or Psiloi must deploy at least 2 BW away from battlefield side edges and others at least 4 BW away"
ie Can the Camp be deployed within the 2-4 BW section from the side edges even though it is not mentioned as being of an element type able to ?
Yes/No
Question 2, Can a Camp be placed on a Waterway ?
ie The Camp is placed entirely on the waterway as the rules state "or on a waterway "
Yes/No
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Jul 24, 2016 20:28:56 GMT
Post by bob on Jul 24, 2016 20:28:56 GMT
The camp may be placed on the "rear edge". No specification as to only in the deployment area. However, there is no reference to a troop element occupying the camp if it is not in the deployment area, as there is for a City or Fort. By the way, in DBA 3, unlike earlier versions, a camp is not an element.
Note that "on a waterway" does not mean "in a waterway." A waterway is not Good Going, it is impassable going. A camp may be placed ON the shore of a waterway.
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Camps
Jul 25, 2016 3:01:03 GMT
Post by primuspilus on Jul 25, 2016 3:01:03 GMT
Actually 'on the rear edge of its sides deployment area" seems pretty clear. It is in the side's deployment area, on the rear edge. So no, not allowed in a corner. The deployment area is 4 BW from a side edge, though there is an exception stated for Cv, Ax, LH and Ps. Since a camp is not an element, it is not an element of Cv, LH, Ax or Ps. Ergo it goes in the normal deployment area.
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Jul 25, 2016 4:44:26 GMT
Post by bob on Jul 25, 2016 4:44:26 GMT
Ergo, since camp is not an element of any kind but it is a structure, it goes anywhere along the back edge including in the corner. The central deployment area is for the deployment of troop types not for structures. The city or Fort or edifice or Hamlet is not an element either, but but they can go anywhere along the back edge too. All restrictions for the deployment area are for "troops."
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Camps
Jul 25, 2016 6:02:56 GMT
Post by timurilank on Jul 25, 2016 6:02:56 GMT
Actually 'on the rear edge of its sides deployment area" seems pretty clear. It is in the side's deployment area, on the rear edge. So no, not allowed in a corner. The deployment area is 4 BW from a side edge, though there is an exception stated for Cv, Ax, LH and Ps. Since a camp is not an element, it is not an element of Cv, LH, Ax or Ps. Ergo it goes in the normal deployment area. I agree.
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Camps
Jul 25, 2016 6:43:36 GMT
Post by twrnz on Jul 25, 2016 6:43:36 GMT
A very good question.
Reading the rules again the camp is restricted to an area that at least 4BW from the edge. This is made clear by the first diagram.
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Camps
Jul 25, 2016 13:27:19 GMT
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Post by primuspilus on Jul 25, 2016 13:27:19 GMT
Ergo, since camp is not an element of any kind but it is a structure, it goes anywhere along the back edge including in the corner. The central deployment area is for the deployment of troop types not for structures. The city or Fort or edifice or Hamlet is not an element either, but but they can go anywhere along the back edge too. All restrictions for the deployment area are for "troops." I am having difficulty following your reasoning, Bob. The "deployement area" has been defined already. It is 3BW from the centre line, and 4BW from a side edge, no? With an exception specifically stated for LH, Cv, Ax and Ps only. So it goes in the already pre-defined deployment area, no?
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Jul 25, 2016 18:22:05 GMT
Post by lkmjbc on Jul 25, 2016 18:22:05 GMT
Ergo, since camp is not an element of any kind but it is a structure, it goes anywhere along the back edge including in the corner. The central deployment area is for the deployment of troop types not for structures. The city or Fort or edifice or Hamlet is not an element either, but but they can go anywhere along the back edge too. All restrictions for the deployment area are for "troops." I am having difficulty following your reasoning, Bob. The "deployement area" has been defined already. It is 3BW from the centre line, and 4BW from a side edge, no? With an exception specifically stated for LH, Cv, Ax and Ps only. So it goes in the already pre-defined deployment area, no? 4BW... The early set (non-published... sorry guys) of diagrams show the deployment area as 4BW in from the edge. This is as the rules directly state. Primuspilus... I don't understand your second question. A camp may be deployed on a waterway or rear edge. Please note that the waterway must comprise the player's rear edge. This was clarified in the FAQ. (It prevents some weird setup configurations with long thin camp with arty deployed forward.) Does that answer your question? Joe Collins
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Jul 25, 2016 19:37:01 GMT
Post by BrianNZ on Jul 25, 2016 19:37:01 GMT
4BW... The early set (non-published... sorry guys) of diagrams show the deployment area as 4BW in from the edge. This is as the rules directly state. A camp may be deployed on a waterway or rear edge. Please note that the waterway must comprise the player's rear edge. This was clarified in the FAQ. (It prevents some weird setup configurations with long thin camp with arty deployed forward.) Does that answer your question? Joe Collins Yes it does, thanks Joe. Camps done & dusted
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Jul 25, 2016 22:08:46 GMT
Post by bob on Jul 25, 2016 22:08:46 GMT
Sorry not reading the text closely. The text does say the camp is placed on the "rear edge of its side’s >deployment< area." I misread this as rear edge of battlefield. The diagram 1a defines the Deployment Area. It is 3BW from center and 4BW from the side. If there are camp followers or the heavy types, then I guess that is the rectangle. If the Camp has no garrison, or if the garrison is LH, Cv, Ax and Ps and Mounted Infantry then it could be in the extra 2BW area on the side. However, the text says "rear edge of its side’s deployment area or on a waterway or beach," Thus if placed on a waterway or beach, the camp can be anywhere along the back edge?
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