For me Tolkinesque O&G should be dirty brown, scabby and unwashed this is prob the best way to depict them
That said Warhammer Fantasy Battle was along with generally playing with toy soldiers the game that got me hooked on Wargaming and the O&G army was my fave and still are. Warhammer O&G are shades of green with garish adornments and the Orcs ride Boars and Goblins ride wolves and that is how it will always be for me.
That said that said I also went with a story line where there were blue squigs that live in a cave and were turned green by the mushrooms and blue snotlings/goblins they ate, Orcs lived in that cave system eating blue stuff so they also turned blue and of course a classic cave troll colour is blue to I could field an army mostly composed of blue stuff.
In the world of fantasy and O&G I say anything goes, or it does if you leave it lying around long enough.
Post by medievalthomas on Feb 5, 2018 17:50:13 GMT
That great burning fantasy question: were Orcs really bright green?
As they are constructs of our mind they can of course be any color.
Following Tolkien they seem to be darker colors but as fallen Elves one assumes that some may have retained fairer complexions.
I don't remember green though as an option. But if your doing GWs Olde World green is essential. So you'll have to pick a setting for a look. (Some sensativity to racial sterotypes should be observed.)
By the way Miniature Warfare mag had a serais of articles about Tolkien based classic Elven tribes from the Simularian - quite different than current GW Elves.
I am not one for green orcs. I do not recall any mention of such in Tolkien. As has been stated already, they were fallen elves. Some of the orcs in Tolkien had ashen colored skin, probably from being burned by the sun, but they were bred so it didn't bother them. Mine are various shades of browns, taupes and dark grays.
Actually Simon those would be more likely to be half-orcs. As the Tolkien wiki notes the Fellowship ran into a few in Bree that fit your description...
Appreciate the replies - I am definitely inclined to the Tolkien description with brown and grey as my current choices. Sallow would be interesting, but at this point would require mixing and I don't have a sufficient stock of base colors to do it. May look for a craft paint that will do next time I am in the big city.
As to the dirty, grungy look, I have a can of dark wood stain that I originally tried to use for shading. Came out with some dark blotches on the figures (I'd like to correct at some point) that would be just right for creating that effect.
Frankly the armor on the painted orcs I got at the club just looks to nice for orcs...
Then i have to decide whether to replace the shields on the Black Raven Foundry orcs that I got that have the skull shaped shields. Not what I picture for Tolkien orcs. If I do, I am thinking of using the shields as decoration on the orc stronghold.
A sallow that tends toward a yellow is a good match for goblin skin, but not too much yellow in my book. I used a hobby store color Creamcoat Bamboo 02657 for the Orkneys in my Jadis, Queen of all Narnia army, and am very pleased with how it looks. May be hard to really see their skin color, but here they are if that is of any help.
I'm for sallow complexions myself, but I'm doing LotR armies (very slowly). I introduced my grandsons to HotT today, goblin warbands, shooters and riders vs. dwarf blades with the goblins getting a win through lucky dice in the final scrum, the riders and shooters having been chewed up earlier. It has taken a while to get them to indulge me, but they seemed to enjoy it.
Post by medievalthomas on Feb 13, 2018 19:04:34 GMT
Glad to hear there is interest in classic Tolkien (amongest others) classic fantasy. Since seeing the pictures in Miniature Wargames of real "Tolkien" Elves, I've been considering doing classic fantasy in my next edition (have already done Fantistorical and am finishing GW style "Olde World").
Tolkien's low magic but deep background with a dark age tint was my first love in fantasy. Only problem is how to do a multi-player campaign in a "good v. evil" setting. Once I get the Hundred Years War and the Olde World behind me (where everybody fights everybody), I'll try figure this out - almost as vexing as Orc/Goblin skin color - about all we can rule out is green..
This discussion is very timely as my we is painting some Orcs for our younger son. She tried the recommended GW scheme but was very unhappy with the result. So she is going to try a khaki based flesh scheme.
Dienekes, remarked with a laugh, 'Good. Then we'll have our battle in the shade.' - Herodotus, The Histories, 7.226
In my campaign world, which combines D&D, wargaming games - my orcs are painted after Planet of the Apes gorilla colors - so darker browns as shade/fur, lighter browns for face/highlights. They favor burgundy and metals for clothing. My goblins are forest creatures, so more of a Hauser Green than bright garish greens.
I do have blue "mountain" ogres which are almost giant-like in their strength. I'm (re)learning HOTT and plan on bringing one out soon in an orc 24AP army.
D&D Game referee. Running a solo game for @theprincesswife. Running a D&D campaign (AD&D-lite-ish-kinda-houseruled) both online and tabletop. Play Chaos Wars, HOTT/DBA.