Post by Michael Demko on Dec 27, 2017 23:07:09 GMT
I've been painting foot so far, but I will soon have to start work on a Chariot element. Any advice on how to proceed, especially when it comes to the ordering of painting various pieces (chariot, horses, men), assembling them, basing them temporarily, etc?
My initial thought would be to paint the men, horses and chariot separately, but leave unpainted the points of contact (where I'll later apply glue). Then assemble everything directly on its final base and do another round of painting to patch up the bits I had left unfinished. This feels ungainly though...
It depends on the model. My advice would be to put it together before priming to see how it works. Look at which parts will rub together (particularly wheels and axles) and which parts will be hidden from view. Also mark your base where the horses and the wheels will attach. That will help you sort out the order. In general, I've painted everything then assembled the model as follows: assemble chariot, attach horses to base, attach chariot to horses and base and finish with passengers.
Good plan, exactly how I did a dozen of them in 1/72 recently. Only difference is I don't leave bare bits for glue, I find the paint a good 'key' surface for the likes of superglue. A dry run is essential if you're doing cars with three or four occupants. Good luck with it, patience wins in the end
I have done 15mm chariots for my British and 28mm for O&G and do them the same way. Dry fit them a few times to work out what looks good re where crew stand and where they point their weapons, a really clever man sees how they will interact with others in same unit etc.
I paint the chariot, animals and crew separately then glued together with superglue or if plastic I rub some of the paint off to get the plastic to weld.
Sometimes needs a little touch up afterwards but much easier than trying to paint them all together.
Post by Michael Demko on Dec 28, 2017 18:24:38 GMT
Thanks for the advice, everyone!
So I'll go about roughly what I had planned, but fully paint the horses, men and chariots before gluing together the final assembly. And I'll take extra care to make sure I have the positions of everything on the base worked out before I start.
FWIW, there was an already assembled and crewed chariot in the Sea Peoples army I bought about 2 years ago. I love the army and want to paint the chariot just to finish it off, but I don't like the way the crew are positioned and look, and I doubt I'll be able to reach all the visible areas with my paintbrush. It has resisted all my gentle efforts to dismantle it, and I still haven't worked up the courage to start painting it.
So I would definitely recommend assembling and painting the various parts (horses, chariot and crew) separately, before assembling (having already checked how it all looks), basing and then touching up.
One thing I have done, a few years ago (sorry no photos) with some chariots that were cast with seperate 'sides' was to:
1 - make a new 'tongue'*, yoke, and axle from brass rod, solder them together
2 - made a new 'chariot floor', bottom piece of 'file card', top of thicker cardboard, cut holes in top layer for figure bases to fit in, drilled holes for pegs in chariot sides, glued that atop yoke and axle.
3 - when figures were finished, glued them into floor, painted floor - used a bit of Golden acrylic 'Molding Paste' to fill lines - then added sides & wheels, assembled whole stand
Note you can make 'chariot floor' a bit wider than 'stock' to fit figures in better.
*I _know_ there's an actual name for the pole that runs from 'under the chariot floor' to 'yoke horses are harnessed to', but can't - senior moment - think of it offhand.
Interesting to see someone else using alligators, peppepeo. Although I rarely use and extension with them (I use my skewers for measuring sticks). And toothpicks for the wheels. I see you trust the alligators more than I do with the chariots - I had a couple bite in a bit on some axles and lances so just use them to hold the base of the figure.
That bit on chariot fabrication is also of interest, jdesmond. Although In my case I got 29 Minifig Indian chariot horse with a few more than 30 of their drivers from msanderson as cavalry. I am actually thinking of fabing chariots for them and your post is instructive. Wheels will be the biggy. Am thinking a basic mold and cast them. I need 3 heavies and 6 more lights in the the Minifig style for my Vedic BBDBA army to be consistent.
Interestingly I have been planning to take a similar approach to the OG15 Sassanid elephants - the howdahs are a bit smallish and fabbing a floor extension and some inserts for the sides seemed to be appropriate.
Oh and I agree with painting the elements first and then putting the chariot, crew, and horses together. Except of course for any assembly required for the chariot itself. Between OG15, Essex, TTG, Minifig, Chariot, Viking Forge, and Museum I have done over 30 and attempting to paint an assembled element would be difficult and unlikely to lead to a decent paint job.